Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shlomi Bar'el


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus. Pascal.Tesson 20:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Shlomi Bar'el
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Non-notable singer. Came in 3rd place on Israeli Idol. No other assertion of notability. Fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Evb-wiki 12:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per NOTNEWS - no notability outside reality show appearance Corpx 22:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think NOTNEWS is relevant since this isn't a news piece; it seems to me to be simply a matter of judging notability. – Black Falcon (Talk) 17:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep precedent shows comparable achievers in comparable reality shows elsewhere have articles. While the article lacks sources, there is no reason that sources could not be added to support the explicit claim of notability. Alansohn 02:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - the show has something like 40% rating, something that's pretty much unprecedented in Israel afaik. This piece on him, in addition to his mention in this article and this one constitute significant coverage by third party sources. Just like people who came in third place on American Idol are notable enough for an article, a person who came in third place on Israeli Idol is notable. Also, he has 47,000 results on Google (which is a lot for a Hebrew search, just for comparison, Ariel Sharon has 295,000 hits). 84.108.245.222 03:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The preceding comment was made by me. Yonatan talk 14:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 23:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 23:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The article seems to have been accepted by the 'heads' of the Hebrew WP, as well as the speculation that his career is already 'promised' some success in Israel. But I'm not sure if there's a rule saying that if it exists on one WP, then it is legitimate on all WP. Please correct me if I am wrong. Here, IMO, I would otherwise delete, the whole reality-show celebrities seems faddish and smack of 'WP:RECENTISM' that everyone will forget in ten years like Solid Gold (TV series). --Shuki 21:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Different language Wikipedias have different inclusion standards, so the existence of the article on one wiki is not an indicator of its appropriateness on another. However, I also don't think we should include/exclude articles based on pure personal speculation about whether they will or will not be remembered in X years. – Black Falcon (Talk) 17:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not sure what to make of the Google hits comparison. On the one hand, I expect that many of the hits for Bar'el will be to blogs and forums that are not reliable sources; on the other, I expect the same to be true of the hits for Sharon (political blogs/forums). As I can't read Hebrew, I can't make a personal judgment on whether the three sources provided by Yonatan constitute 'significant coverage'. However, I'll take his word on it and am thus weakly inclined to believe that the topic is worthy of inclusion. However, whether it should be retained on the condition that it is improved (after all, sources have already been provided) or deleted without prejudice to sourced recreation is something I'm ambivalent about. I will place a notice on the talk page of WikiProject Israel, notifying them of the discussion. – Black Falcon (Talk) 17:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --GHcool 00:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, tag for cleanup. We just need a Hebrew-speaking/reading editor who is willing to improve the article and can read the sources.  If he has a record contract, there will only be more information coming.  Mango juice talk 19:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


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