Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shlomo Shtencel


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Shlomo Shtencel

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As far as I can tell, this is a bio of an author of a single published book, with second one in works. This does not seem to satisfy WP:ARTIST. At the same time, some serious effort went into this bio, perhaps others can find a reason to keep this? Would his rabbinical post make him notable? I couldn't find anything in our notability policies regarding religious professionals... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep this article about a very notable Polish rabbi. It satisfies WP:ANYBIO: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field" as well as WP:SCHOLAR in this case in the filed of advanced Talmudic scholarship One of his works is on file at Wikisource. The nominator's rationale makes no sense. This is NOT an "artist" this is a theologian and scholar of Judaism, a rosh yeshiva and posek, a great Judaic scholar who had his works published, as the article's plentiful citations make very clear. It is hard to put biographies of rabbis together and in this case the editors have done an excellent job. In addition a few experienced editors, (namely Users and ), have recently been working diligently on improving the article, after it was nominated that has not been acknowledged by the nominator. IZAK (talk) 10:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep Looking at WP:BIO, reveals separate notability guidelines that have been thoroughly explored for sports personalities, crime victims, and even porn stars because Wiki has been bombarded with article requests around those topics. I believe we do not have a similar set of dedicated criteria around religious figures, not because of the 'stickyness' and subjectivity of religious issues, but simply because there are fewer submissions, making it so far unnecessary that the issue be completely defined. In lieu of a defined criteria, I humbly suggest that a WP:COMMON approach would be to adopt a similar guideline as that used for Diplomats - "Diplomats who have participated in a significant way in events of particular diplomatic importance that have been written about in reliable secondary sources. Sufficient reliable documentation of their particular role is required." Using this test, I believe that Shtencel "participated in a significant way" to the culture of 20th century Judaism in Poland (an issue of importance), that this can be verified in RS per the current article, and that continued improvement to the article (as evidenced by its recent editing history) will likely result in even more RS supporting this viewpoint. Celtechm (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celtechm (talk • contribs) 20:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Shm-reduplication ... only kidding; keep per OUTCOMES as a head rabbi of a large area. Bearian (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete He was a Rabbi and wrote a book which was published posthumously. The book being viewable online at Wikisource does not aid notability. OUTCOMES refers to the Rabbi of a country, and he seems to have been the rabbi of only a town. I do not see that WP:BIO is satisfied, and I would not want to see similar bios of every clergyman/swami/mullah/practitioner  of every faith who ever lived kept on a similar scant basis, just because they faithfully served a congregation or town and wrote a diary, when there is a lack of multiple instances of significant coverage by reliable and independent sources.  Where are encyclopedias or histories of religion which document his "significant contribution?" Edison (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep he is the author of two books published shortly after his death, and if his work is being readied for republication at this time, as the article suggests, that would indicate that his work is held in high regard by those best qualified to evaluate it. Bus stop (talk) 00:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SCHOLAR and WP:PROF #6. His rabbinical posts certainly make him notable, as av beis din (head of the rabbinical court) of Sosnowiec and a rosh yeshiva (dean) in that town's yeshiva. Edison: Your lumping of all religious town authorities into one heap totally ignores the major role that town Ravs played in the thousands of Jewish communities that existed in pre-war Europe. These were not "rabbis" in the style of synagogue leaders that you may be familiar with, but Torah authorities and poskim who brought Torah study to a high level of scholarship. Any information that can be presented on rabbis like Shtentzel or his cousin, Rabbi Arye Tzvi Frommer, enhances understanding of the pre-Holocaust landscape significantly. I cut out all the extraneous details and biographical information about other people and copyedited for style. All it needs is more references to back up the information provided. Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe Yisrael Meir Kagan (1838—1933) was merely a rabbi in a small town of Radun' though his influence was considerable beyond that town and his influence to this day is great. There are 2 books by Shlomo Shtentzel. One was published in 1932, 13 years after his death, and then republished in 1973. That indicates continued interest by those best able to evaluate the merit and importance of that book. The other book by Shlomo Shtentzel does not seem to have ever been published, but our article suggests that it is being readied for publication at this time. Bus stop (talk) 14:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I found several reliable sources and removed the notability tag. Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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