Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shon Harris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. A request for deletion by the subject of a biographical article is not conclusive but where, as here, there is no clear consensus to keep, it may be taken into account. JohnCD (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Shon Harris

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Not convinced that this lady is notable in wikipedia terms. All the references are to her column in a technical magazine, two of the books appear never to have been published, no third party references that I can find (apologies if I'm looking in the wrong place). Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Mrs./Ms. Harris is certainly notable. Grey Hat Hacking can be found here: . She has authored and contributed to a number of books, mostly dealling with the CISSP . She is also the (i dont know if you call it being an author with a video) of some current and future Video Mentor series'.  . I would not mind taking on this article myself as a pet project. Sephiroth storm (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. To be honest, I'm always happy when someone does manage to improve an article I've nominated, even if it shows up my lack of Google fu (can't explain missing the Amazon ref at all...) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, per above. Sephiroth storm (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep and Cleanup Needs major work, but it does not fail WP:NOTE
 * Delete fails bio. No reliable sources treat this person in the depth that would be needed to construct an accurate, neutral and verifiable biography. All sources are primary or sub-primary (like barnes and noble).Bali ultimate (talk) 20:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually per Notability (people), 1. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one.- WHile not an award per say, Shon was named one of the top 25 women in the Information Security field by Information Security Magazine.


 * The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field. Shon Harris I believe has made her contributions to the Information Security community as an athor and a teacher. As a IS consultant for the government, her works may never be made public in that arena, but I think we can assume they are significant. In any case, it is difficult to find references for people in the IS field. There is rarely coverage outside of the community. Per WP:AUTHOR, I would say she qualifies under "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors." Looking at her LinkedIn Profile, you can see numerous recommendations by her students. Sephiroth storm (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment If we could stand down, I contacted Mrs. Harris, I am trying to find out if User:Shonharris is her, the user blanked the page today, trying to discern if she does not want to have an article. I know an article author can request deletion, I assume the subject can as well. I will let you guys know when I get a reply. Sephiroth storm (talk) 06:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I apologise, as this is not me assuming good faith, but me being cynical. Is it possible that User:Shonharris was registered by the IP address that was so insistent that the article be deleted?  It seems a bit too coincidental that after all this time that the article has been up that Shon Harris has decided that the article should be deleted so soon after an anon user made a big fuss about the article?  I know it isn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it does seem unlikely. Stephen! Coming... 10:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought that, but User:Shonharris has been registered since 2007.Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Subject requests deletion Confirmed. I'll forward the email to an admin if requested. Sephiroth storm (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Question If someone requests that an article about them is deleted, is that usually granted? I've got it in my head that there was a debate about this once before, but I don't know what the outcome was.  Anyone know if there is precedent, or if my brain is inventing Wiki-hallucinations? Stephen! Coming... 07:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know! I know the author of an article can request deletion. I'll look at WP:DEL. Sephiroth storm (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPDEL briefly mentions that "Page deletion is normally a last resort. If a dispute centers around a page's inclusion (e.g., due to questionable notability or if the subject has requested deletion) then this is addressed via deletion discussions rather than by summary deletion." so obviously a subject may request deletion, but there is no requirement to do so. Based on the subject's wishes, and the low likelyhood of finding additional sources to improve the article, I would have to change my vote to Delete. Sephiroth storm (talk) 21:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - if—and only if—the subject has requested deletion. I believe that this falls under WP:Deletion policy, which says, "Discussions concerning biographical articles of relatively unknown, non-public figures, where the subject has requested deletion and there is no rough consensus may be closed as delete." I think that she'd be borderline notable (meets WP:AUTHOR due to her books being held in 1272 libraries) but it would be difficult to find sufficient sources about her to write a solid article. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 01:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.