Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shore City Magicians Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete, default to keep. Neıl ☎  11:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Shore City Magicians Club

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A magic club which does not appear to meet the notability criteria (WP:ORG) for organizations. An online search revealed few potential sources beyond directory and events listings. CIreland (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Gah article was prodded whilst I wrote the AFD discussion. Please feel free to speedy close this. CIreland (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did speedy close, but since someone's removed the prod, I'm reopening the discussion. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Mentions on other websites:
 * http://www.metrolive.co.nz/metroarchives/metroarchivesarticle/tabid/230/ArticleID/4970/Default.aspx &lt;--- Especially this one
 * http://www.alan-watson.com/bio.html
 * http://www.mickpeckmagic.com/
 * http://www.nzmagic.com/grandmasterawardcitation.html
 * and i don't know if it's quite as relevant but:
 * http://www.oldfriends.co.nz/Institution.aspx?id=188537
 * Newspaper articles (mostly press releases):
 * http://www.stuff.co.nz/4217059a22400.html
 * http://www.times.co.nz/cms/arts/arts_news/2007/10/art100018229.php
 * It's worth mentioning that a magic club is a very specialized niche market, and in magic circles (particularly in NZ) the club is well known. (and well-known as the only primarily youth-based club) The club has also had numerous mentions and writeups in Magicana magazine (a NZ mag with world-wide distribution) as well as the MagicNZ e-zine (also worldwide distribution) I would think that in this case the criteria for notability would be slightly relaxed... VIQleSthe2nd (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Precedent:
 * Vancouver Magic Circle 'Vancouver magic circle' doesn't get much in the way of hits either.
 * Notable Members
 * http://www.times.co.nz/cms/arts/arts_news/2006/12/art100014347.php
 * http://www.watson.co.nz/
 * http://www.nzmagic.com/
 * Oblique mention
 * http://wysiwygnews.com/archives/news/2004-June/000044.html (right near the bottom) VIQleSthe2nd (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Mention was made on my talk page about altering the article to meet notability criteria, can anyone offer any hints as to what i would need to add to the page for this? VIQleSthe2nd (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Some mentions in news articles, no real in-depth coverage, basically a local group of magicians, some professional and some not. --Dhartung | Talk 05:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The metro magazine article was pretty in-depth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VIQleSthe2nd (talk • contribs) 12:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Precedent:
 * Magic Club of Vienna Phantomwiki (talk) 02:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Precedent:
 * TAOM Phantomwiki (talk) 02:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's guidelines - "Notable means worthy of being noted or attracting notice." The SCMC was chosen for a special feature in New Zealand's Metro Magazine, the only magicians club in NZ ever to be featured in such a mainstream publication. The club and it's members recieve coverage in many local newspapers every single year. The club was also profiled (more than once) on TV2's "What Now?", the most highest rated and longest running children's television programme in NZ's history.
 * Wikipedia's guidelines : "Please consider notable and demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment .. "The SCMC has been the guiding force in the careers of entertainers who are now full time professionals, in some instances travelling the world entertaining tens of thousands of people on cruise ships every year. Each year the SCMC runs the successful "Shore Is Magic!" public show in several theatres in Auckland. When you consider how many people attend these shows or see shows and performances by the members of the SCMC the numbers are up in the thousands. I suggest that by Wikipedia guidelines the SCMC is certainly worthy of being classed as notable. Phantomwiki (talk) 23:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It seems that precedent has established that certain clubs, such as this one, may fit the WP:N guidelines. As Wikipedia uses precedent much in the way that that common law was used (and still is used), I believe this article should no be deleted. -- Shark face  217  20:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article has precedent, and appears to have a notable level of significance within the NZ magic scene. Just because it's in NZ it does not mean that it can be dismissed off-hand as "local" - 52 Pickup (talk) 11:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.