Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Short Ribbs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. per WP:SNOW, no reason to prolong this discussion now notability is proven and all votes are keep with no active current discussions. (non-admin closure) MaxnaCarter (talk) 06:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Short Ribbs

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Only aired on one affiliate. De-prodded with sources added, but they're from the market the show aired in, suggesting the show is of local interest only. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep 2 citations in article. Yes, both from LA Times, but it is an LA show. Wouldn't expect an LA show to get coverage in, say, Michigan. Being local only isn't a rationale for deletion. Donald D23   talk to me  21:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:LOCAL disagrees with you. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ESSAY, not POLICY Donald D23   talk to me  21:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is something notable if only the local papers cover it? I've been in my own local papers multiple times. Does that make me notable? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call the 5th largest newspaper in the US a "local" paper. List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States Donald D23   talk to me  22:04, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment if the court case has more coverage, it would help the case for notability. Local or not, so long as we have decent sourcing for a topic, we can write about it in Wiki. Hyperlocal stuff can still be described here so long as we have adequate sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "A unique 13-week news/variety television series that will combine both comic and serious elements -- and be hosted and reported by "little people" --  will be produced for KDOC/56 and begin  airing on Saturday nights in April. Entitled "Short Ribbs," the show is the brainchild of show business veteran and dwarf Billy Barty, whose infectious personality has made him a TV favorite in comedies and kids' shows since the 1950s."  The review notes: "Prognosis: It could survive beyond its 13-week order, but only if it improves drastically and/or KDOC proves desperate for original product.  The concept for "Short Ribbs," a new locally produced variety series, sounded a little bizarre but somewhat intriguing when it was first broached last spring.  Creator and performer Billy Barty planned to take a group of little people and create a satirical world in which normal-size adults are the freaks. The potential for social commentary was immense.  That, unfortunately, isn't quite the way it turned out. Sadly, "Short Ribbs" is a disaster on every level. It's a lowbrow waste of a fun concept, an embarrassing stab at comedy that's almost impossible to watch without covering one's eyes."  The article notes: "Come Saturday night, when his comedy-variety series “Short Ribbs” debuts on Orange County’s KDOC-TV Channel 56, Barty, 65, hopes the half-hour show will enable other little people “to act like regular people.” ... Another recurring character, also played by Barty, is a consumer reporter named David Halfowitz. The other cast members, Patty Maloney, Jimmy Briscoe and Joe Gieb, are all veterans of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus." Articles about the court case involving Bill Winckler:  The article note: "Bill Winckler, 25, said the dwarf actor has ignored a contract guaranteeing him pay for each script plus a percentage of syndication profits. The show, in which Barty starred, is described as a "Saturday Night Live"- type show cast mostly with "little people." It ran from September to  December on KDOC (Channel 56) in Anaheim. ... Winckler filed his small claims suit in January after repeatedly asking Barty about pay for the pilot and scripts, he said. Winckler said he began working on the scripts in December 1988 and continued to provide them while the show aired."  The article notes: "Actor Billy Barty was ordered in small claims court Monday to pay a Woodland Hills writer $1,300 for his work on a television show called "Short Ribbs." Writer Bill Winckler, 25, and Barty, 65, both claimed victory outside the Van Nuys Municipal Courtroom after a hearing in which Barty said that he employed Winckler for about a year but did not pay him because his work was not satisfactory. ... Winckler said that he began working with the dwarf actor in December 1988, when he drafted a pilot script for the show, which is described as being similar to "Saturday Night Live" but using mostly dwarfs. Barty was the star of the show."</li> <li> The article notes: "Billy Barty is being sued by a TV writer who says the dwarf actor owes him $2,000 for his help on the brief-run show Short Ribbs.  Bill Winckler, 25, of Woodland Hills, Calif., said Barty has ignored a contract guaranteeing him pay for each script plus a percentage of syndication profits."</li> <li> The article notes: "Diminutive actor Billy Barty is being sued in small claims court by a television writer who says the star owes him $2,000 for his help on the briefly run TV show "Short Ribbs.""</li> <li> The article notes: "Barty said he considered Monday’s decision a win because he didn’t have to award 10% of future syndication profits for his show, “Short Ribbs,” to writer-producer Bill Winckler."</li> </ol></li> <li>Article about the court case involving Warren Taylor:<ol> <li> The article notes: "Actor Billy Barty was ordered to pay $428 to a television show writer who claimed that he wasn’t paid for creating several comedy sketches. Burbank Municipal Court Commissioner Dennis H. Shanklin on Monday granted the award to Warren Taylor for sketches he wrote for “Short Ribbs,” which aired last year on KDOC-TV in Anaheim and is no longer in production."</li> </ol></li> <li>Less significant coverage:<ol> <li> The article notes: "Both Barty and Clavin Brack, general manager of KDOC, said they hope the 13-week series, entitled "Short Ribbs," will be picked up for syndication after its scheduled debut in April."</li> </ol></li></ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Short Ribbs to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep evidence has been found and presented that the general notability guidelines have been met.  D r e a m Focus  20:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


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