Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Short shifter


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Short shifter

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This appears to be merely an inconsequential commercial product. Tag for sources was deleted by creating editor, and links attached to advertising material. No RS Bluehotel (talk) 12:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

This article is a legitimate specialised car modification installed in a multitude of cars worlwide the fact that Bluehotel doesn't care for the author does not justify an AfD. Furthermore it is neutrally sourced as the references illustrate. --Jemesouviens32 (talk) 14:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and fix as needed, meets WP:N easily. Please be sure to follow WP:BEFORE as finding these sources was trivial.  AfD is not for cleanup...
 * is solely about this topic. is a section in a book about installing these.   discusses the topic in solid detail and sources like  show that the topic is a fairly common notion.  A quick search turns up plenty more sources. Hobit (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Indeed, you can find these sources. However, the purpose of this entry is to advertise a commercial business which was recently deleted under AfD. The article's author has made no effort to properly source the article, but one must really infer, to use the page to send traffic to his preferred business.  I originally tagged the page for references, but the author merely removed the tag and further packed the article with advertising links. He has, similarly, just created another article with a series of links to the same commercial business, which, as I say has just been deleted (about a week ago) Bluehotel (talk) 09:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Have added references to Mazda and Porsche both offering this component as stock and as an option further dispelling the notion of lack of notability--Jemesouviens32 (talk) 08:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure of my recommendation yet, but thought I would address my current thoughts.   There are currently 2 sources in the article, both are manufacturers' websites, these are not independent of the subject and do not confirm notability.  As for the above four references, this is not a reliable source, anyone can log in and answer a question.  This is just a how to install one and just confirms that they exist, not that they are notable.  This looks good and comes close to establishing notability, but I don't think it does by itself.  This does not confirm they are fairly common, it only confirms that one car has them.  The one source does not make them notable, but not willing to say delete yet.   GB fan  talk 23:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The first source anyone can comment on, but only the site can post the "answer". cars.com is darn reliable with respect to cars.  As far as #2 goes, it does meet the requirements of WP:N as far as I can tell.  On the last one, I agree.  There are tons of links to individual cars that have short shifters.  That was one.  But it doesn't prove they are common.  Couldn't find a list of cars that have short shifters as an option in a RS.  Hobit (talk) 12:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep fixed as per Hobit researched related links which I added to the article. I confess that I do not understand why GB fan removed the reference from de.wikipedia which has a diagram illustrating the short shifters' mechanical principle vs the stock shifter and even less why he states "I have removed the german wikipedia as a reference, wikipedia is not a reliable source." isn't it up to us to make Wikipedia a reliable source and the whole purpose of this discussion? --Jemesouviens32 (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * He's right to remove the reference to another wikipedia entry. That's, (oddly) how we do things around here. There is a proper way to link to articles on the same topic in different languages and that link is there on the left.  That said, you can copy the diagram over if you wish, but because it's in German it probably isn't ideal.  You could redraw a similar picture and upload it if you wished.  Hobit (talk) 12:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep --Typ932 T&middot;C 11:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This article has been fixed by the contributions from several experienced users as detailed above as well as on the talk page, the only thing it still needs is some copy editing and cleanup as well as some photos Philantropist831 (talk) 11:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC) — Philantropist831 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.