Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shree P D Shah


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Shree P D Shah

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Article claims this is a former professor at various US universities. However a search for e.g. "P D Shah University of Pacific-Stockton astrology" doesn't turn up anything, neither does P D Shah California Institute of Asian Studies. I do get a couple of P D Shahs in otehr fields elsewhere, but that is likely due to the fact that the name is common. I.e. this may either be a case of slightly incorect information due to the language barrier, someone exaggerating the achievements of a close relative or simply a hoax. Unfortunately without proper sources I cannot say which. Travelbird (talk) 16:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete in any event. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: I have nothing to say about the notability of the subject, but as for his verifiability,here is a webpage by an alleged disciple of his, and here (Google Books) is a reference to him, though I cannot make sense of the context. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 02:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Another few points on the existence of the subject and the references given:
 * "University of Pacific-Stockton" is a reference to the University of the Pacific, based in Stockton, California, of which The Pacifican, cited as a source in the article, is a student newspaper, published since 1908 and still current.
 * The subject's main claim to fame is, apparently, playing the Rudra vina a.k.a. Beena, with multiple variant spellings (a musical instrument); the first link I gave is from a website devoted to the Rudra veena; there are several videos on YouTube purporting to be videos of him playing this obscure instrument, e.g., uploaded by "vijayarajkotia" - whose name is very similar to the that of user who uploaded pictures of P.D. Shah to the article. הסרפד  (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 02:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Kooky2 (talk) 22:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Biography doesnt seem to pass WP:ANYBIO criteria. -- Phazakerley  (talk) 08:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete The article makes a few claims for notability: 'Professor of Astrology', 'Rudra Veena player' and 'founder of Veena mandir'. All the four references in the article is dated between 1970 and 1971, the time when he taught astrology in USA. I am inclined to think that these are passing mentions as the person has not done anything significant in his career as a professor and certainly doesn't meet WP:PROF. Next, the article itself mentions he didn't played Rudra veena commercially. Its true that there are only a very few people who could play Rudra veena, but that doesn't make the person inherently notable. As for the organization 'Veena mandir', I could not find any sources to verify it. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 12:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot see any field where he might be notable. A professor of astrology is quite unusual within this field.  However, it appears hard to verify and it would be reasonable to expect evidence of published books and academic papers. Kooky2 (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
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