Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shuǐ diào gē tóu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Shuǐ diào gē tóu

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I don't know if this article is good enough to be "kept", even if its Chinese Wiki-counterpart still exists. This poem is very old enough to be in the public domain, but I'm not so certain if this article will last forever. Even with "Modern Settings" and Chinese heritage, personally, no further citations has been established for years. But I strongly wanted this article to improve; otherwise, it will sadly be "deleted". Gh87 (talk) 04:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  —_dk (talk) 05:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think posting the article for deletion should be the first avenue to take if you strongly want the article to improve. _dk (talk) 05:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't over-cite that article with bunch of .edu webpages, blogs, and/or Chinese press articles. I have to choose just ONE!  No blogs!!  No press articles either!  And no fansites!  But I may have trouble picking one right now.  Would my wanting for this article invalidate this debate?  --Gh87 (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This is one of most popular and important Chinese poems.--[[Image:Cat_silhouette.svg|25px|I am a horny pussycat.]] Meow &#9993;  07:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject is covered in multiple academic sources. One possible target for redirect is "Song of the Water", which appears to be used in a selection of sources. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 08:29, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, just like we have articles about other important poems or songs, such as "The Song of the Stormy Petrel", "The Song of the Volga Boatmen", or Martín Fierro. The Google Books search, as per User:Arsonal above, shows plenty of references indeed. Maybe the article should be renamed, as per the suggestion above, but I would leave the decision to someone more informed. -- Vmenkov (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Instead of romanization, how about using "水調歌頭" for searching sources? It makes more sense... I hope.  --Gh87 (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It certainly makes sense and should not be ignored, but non-language speakers can more easily assess the level and significance of coverage if English sources are first surveyed. If no English sources can be found, we resort to foreign language sources. — Arsonal (talk + contribs) — 22:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename. Arsonal's Google Books search shows that notability can be established. One problem is that the article as it reads now claims to be about a tune, but ends up being a presentation of Su Dongpo's poem, which is known after the tune's name. (Incidentally, someone needs to find the source of this translation. For all we know, it might be under copyright.) I propose we rename this wiki either "Shui diao ge tou" (without the pinyin marks, as per Naming_conventions_(Chinese) which should only appear in glossaries or language textbooks ) or "Song of the Water," which seems to be a common translation in reliable sources. Madalibi (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Umm... can't we have the rename and the deletion issue separate? If this article is "kept" according to the final consensus of this discussion, then, as I will have promised, I will have the renaming article discussed in Requested moves.  Pinky swear?  --Gh87 (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article is pretty notable to many Chinese people. Calvin Marquess (talk) 04:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.