Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shum Lung


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The result was No consensus. Black Kite 20:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Shum Lung

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Notability concerns - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. PhilKnight (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Shum Lung is actually very notable. I also have added new sources to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.58.240 (talk • contribs)


 * Comment&mdash;It is asserted that he is the student of Yuan Kay-shan, who is not even mentioned on the History of Wing Chun page. Besides being a teacher of Wing Chun, why is he notable? This page doesn't say. The newly-added sources are not in English, so I can't confirm them. This may take a translator to resolve.&mdash;RJH (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete the references don't appear to support any assertion of notability Fritzpoll (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:BIO.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 00:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 18:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. RogueNinja talk  23:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of evidence of notability. JJL (talk) 01:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect to Branches of Wing Chun --Nate1481(t/c) 09:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect to 'YKS branch wing chun', or keep stub. Not sure what RJH is talking about, both he and Yuan Kay Shan are listed on the History of Wing Chun page (though Shum is listed by his more common spelling of Sum Nung).  Both are notable figures in the Wing Chun family tree, and Yuan's represents an entire branch.  Sum Nung, before his passing, was also responsible for a large amount of the presence of the art (via his branch) on the mainland.  See discussion at the AFD for Yuan Kay-shan. Likewise, a simple google search brings up plenty of references accounting for this deceased master's notability, besides his discussion in several wing chun geneology books. If references are the issue, I'd be happy to cull through everything and put them up later tonight (was supposed to do that at Yuan's as well but I just didn't have the time yesterday).  --Marty Goldberg (talk) 14:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Stub . Shum Nung is notable in the Chinese martial art history but his name might not be familiar to the West. So a stub is appropiate for him so readers will be aware of this information and editors can contribute.    --ottawakungfu (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep taking Marty's word that he is notable. – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  16:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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