Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shutts & Bowen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Shutts & Bowen

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This particular article is about a single lawfirm that in my opinion does not meet the minimum standards for notability on this project. It mentions people that are apparently connected to the firm, but there's no other substance to the page that really shows it is notable. — Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 10:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 12:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I do not see that this firm meets any of the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). -- Donald Albury 13:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep. As the article already spells out, this is the oldest law firm in Miami and has played a significant role in the history of the area. The firm's founder represented Miami pioneers Henry Flagler and Carl G. Fisher, and created the Miami Herald (here's some obituaries from 1947) and another early lawyer was Sherman Minton who later became a Supreme Court justice.   Extensive coverage shown at GNews and as collected on the press page of the law firm's website; while some of this is press-release puffery, there's also a substantial amount of independent coverage.  A February 27, 1996 Miami Herald article is entitled "Miami's Oldest Law Firm Prospers: Shutts & Bowen has weathered good times and bad"; it's behind a paywall, but the opening paragraph mentions this is "the second article in an occasional series on long-term businesses in Miami."  There's also an April 28, 2011 article in the Miami business paper Daily Business Review (published by ALM, formerly American Lawyer Media): "Oldest law firm rode wave of Miami’s growth".  --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because members are notable and did notable things does not mean the firm is in itself notable for inclusion.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 21:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep--the gnews hits and the sources found by Arxiloxos make clear that this firm passes WP:CORP and WP:GNG handily. Many of the linked sources are about the law firm specifically, not merely individuals associated with it. Meelar (talk) 23:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article from the Palm Beach Post looks like a run-of-the-mill press release announcing newly hired lawyers at the firm, which generally are published without substantive editing in business sections of newspapers. The page cited from Tampa Bay Magazine (Google books) is labeled "Advertorial" at the bottom of the page. The "Firm Profile" at the Martindale site is on a page that has a tab labeled "Market Your Firm" at the top. The press release from the Governor's office (which seems to have been a dead link for over a year, I had to take the Wayback Machine to 2010 to see it) only mentions that a recently appointed judge (who does not have a WP article) had once practiced with this firm. -- Donald Albury 14:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: Based on law firm size and age, and brief review of available news coverage, it appears to be a notable organization.--Milowent • hasspoken 15:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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