Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shyam (actor)


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The result was keep. John254 17:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Shyam (actor)

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IMDB filmography and bio indicate non-notable. Unable to find references in quick GS (of course, not dispositive). The referenced "famous movie" shows no indication of fame or classic status in its IMDB listing. The notability criteria for entertainers are:


 * Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, or other productions.
 * No evidence that any of the 12 movies (according to IMDB) the subject has been in is itself notable (no awards, no ratings). IMDB isn't necessarily definitive on all aspects of of Indian movies, but it's a very comprehensive starting point.


 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * Unable to see evidence of this from IMBD or an Internet search.


 * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.
 * 12 films is not prolific, no claim or evidence upon search of unique or innovative contributions.

Bongo matic  15:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   —  Salih  ( talk ) 17:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is clearly something for Indiaphilics to look into. I hope the note above attracts the right sort of users to make an informed decision. - Mgm|(talk) 18:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How does being in 12 films indicate non-notable? IMBD obviously knows shit about 1940s Indian films, is wikipedia supposed to reflect that? Juzhong (talk) 18:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems notable enough to me. Is he truly a "superstar"? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, he was a superstar, and he also seems to be notable as the inspiration for some of Sadat Hasan Manto's stories.. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The "superstar" bit in the reference cited above appears to refer to a different actor, called Saigal, who died in 1947. Nsk92 (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's about "stars who dominated Bombay cinema at any given time". Juzhong (talk) 10:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the construction, "Sagal was perhaps the first real superstar...others I recall are...Shyam", mean that Shyam is being listed as another superstar? Phil Bridger (talk) 12:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I think that is a stretch and is not directly supported by the text. There are a few other intervening nouns between "superstar" and Shyam's name in the text. E.g. "The other name I associate with the period" where Ashok Kumar is discussed. Nsk92 (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Important actor of early years of Bollywood. Thanks to Phil Bridger for finding useful links from google books.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep He was an important early star who died tragically at a very young age and since his movies were vintage we find next to nothing on him on the net however there is an entry on him in the IMDB. Hence this article is a starting point from where we hope more facts may be unearthed --Sidsahu (talk), 23 November 2008 (UTC)


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