Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sigfried Vollmer


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The result was  both speedy deleted WP:CSD by Anthony.bradbury - non-admin closure. JohnCD (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sigfried Vollmer

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Either a hoax article or competely unverifiable.

This was tricky for me, I'm not that familiar with heraldry. Subject is supposed to be "current head of the cadet House of Hohenzollern-Hechingen, the former ruling house of the Hechingen and the Kingdom of Prussia." These regions no longer exist, although families of course can live on. In this case, though, I have found several sources, including wikipedia, that say that the Hohenzollern-Hechingen line died off in 1869. Several of the relevant wikipedia pages have since been edited by the article author to mention Sigfried Vollmer and the House magically starting up again, with no explantion of the missing century. See Constantine, Prince of Hohenzollern-Hechingen for an as yet unaltered page that explains the end of the House of Hohenzollern-Hechingen (the region was absorbed into the Kingdom of Prussia, and the heirs died out). Another unchanged page is Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, which says clearly that the line died out in 1869.

A Google search for "Sigfried Vollmer" brings up only the new wiki pages, a wiki mirror, and one person not claiming to be a prince. Google suggests looking for "Siegfried Vollmer", which brings more hits, but nothing relevant to this case. Similarly for Google Books and Scholar: no relevant hits. So I have to conclude that this is a hoax. Even if it's not a hoax, it's a completely unverifiable fringe theory, which would also merit deletion.

I left a note on the author's talk page, hoping for clarification, but got no response.

Also nominating a page by the same author for Sigfried Vollmer's alleged son:



Hairhorn (talk) 16:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete likely hoax. The 1910 Brittanica says the line became extinct in 1869 as does this book and, less reliably, Appleton's. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete both WP:CSD - at 07:29 this morning the author blanked both these pages. They were restored by another editor, quite properly because the AfD template instructs that the page "must not be blanked"; but I think, as detected hoaxes, blanking by their author can be taken, per G7, as a request to delete. JohnCD (talk) 10:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.