Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sijekovac massacre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Advise renaming--discuss that on the article talk page DGG (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sijekovac massacre

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Propaganda supported by only one Serbian reference. Reports concluded it false. PRODUCER (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep:. notable with plenty of references, see google book search. As to reports concluding the massacre as false, these reports in turn add notability and their findings should be included in the article. In my opinion there is no good or valid reason for deletion. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Weak keep. There are few reliable sources either way. Simply pointing at a Google Book search is no use! Are those books reliable sources? What do they actually say? This is the report by Helsinki Watch reporting that they doubted there had been a massacre:. A NATO page mentions a report in the Serb press claiming it as a massacre:, and another has this quote: "Savo Strbac, Director of the Veritas Information Center, rejected the suspicions that the 18 bodies of children found at Sijekovac were Serb children from Vukovar, as only a few children missing from Vukovar had been registered with the Veritas Center". Milosevic repeated the claim at his war crimes tribunal:, and the Bosnian Serb government did too:. In the absence of clear reports in reliable sources, I support deletion. Fences and windows (talk) 21:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is better now it has some sources and is renamed, thanks CB. Fences and windows (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete . Neutral Haven't seen any reliable source yet. Journalist 007 (talk) 13:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Changed my vote after last improvements. Journalist 007 (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  22:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  22:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: just rewrote the article: added information; added references; linked references; and rewrote parts that seemed opinionated. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: That looks much better. The article should be renamed to Sijekovac case as there is still no validation to support massacre title. Renamed article and changed my vote to Neutral. Journalist 007 (talk) 19:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Noted, good thinking in renaming the article. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, seems even-handed, and material casting doubt on the truth of the allegations has been correctly included. Cannot see any further reasons for deletion.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I generally have prejudices about controversial massacres and similar incidents, so I'm very far from voting keep, but the references clearly establish notability. Producer, if you don't like the article, try to improve it the other way by adding references about these reports you mentioned. —Admiral Norton (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.