Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sijo Kuruvilla George


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There may be a rationale for a redirect to Startup Village here; if so, that is an editorial decision. Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Sijo Kuruvilla George

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Not notable. Most of the article talks about an organization this person was supposedly associated with for some time in the past. Most links are are also about the organization, which may or may not be notable. There is nothing about this person which makes him notable, except this association with this organization. Aurorion (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 18:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 *  Article Improved, I vote to keep it 

Agreed that the Wikipedia page of Sijo Kuruvilla George doesn't do justice to his work especially in the entrepreneurship space in the state of Kerala. He is one of the pioneers who kick started and later spearheaded an entrepreneurship movement in the very conservative state where technology startups were a foreign term. The organisation in reference is Startup Village which is also India's First Public-Private-Partnership Technology Business Incubator, which is now moving to the 2nd phase of their operations as SV.CO.

It is understandable that most of his recent work has not been covered as he has moved to working with educators and government bodies. He recently worked with Kerala Startup Mission to design the KSUM Fellowship Programme and now is working with KITCO to design the school education programs. He was also invited to write a column for Mathrubhumi.

Aby James (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2017 (UTC +05:30)

Notes:

1. One of his interview in Manorama News 2. One of his interview in Media One. 3. His Mathrubhumi Column: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 4. Search of Startup Village on Google 5. Startup Village on Economic Times 6. Search of Startup Village on YouTube 7. Search of Sijo Kuruvilla George on YouTube 8. Coverage of Sijo Kuruvilla George on The Hindu: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11


 * Article Improved, I vote to keep it

I have edited the page to reflect Startup Village's importance, and Sijo's contributions outside Startup Village especially the role as a entrepreneurship columnist as mentioned by Aby James.

Aurorion please review the changes and if satisfactory, please remove the delete request.

DhananSekhar (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Not convinced - while the edits have made the page better, they haven't established notability in my opinion. Most of the links provided are primarily about Startup Village, the organization that he was associated with in the past. While these links may establish the notability of this organization, they don't necessarily imply that this person is notable. Being a columnist on a regional language newspaper doesn't make him notable either (every newspaper has dozens of columnists). This article looks like a CV, and that too without any major achievements except for a brief past association with an incubator. Would like to hear from other experienced WP editors. Aurorion (talk) 19:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete The article fails notability as most of the references where only mentioning about the organization he worked with. There's no mentions about him or his contribution. 137.97.219.249 (talk) 13:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * To Wikipedia editors: The page has been improved in accordance with Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Main points to consider when making the decision.

1. Founding CEO of India's first Public Private Partnership model business incubator. 2. Establishment of India's first Student Entrepreneurship Policy. 3. Sijo Kuruvilla George's and Startup Village's impact on entrepreneurship in the State of Kerala.

Aby James 3 February 2017 (+05:30 UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2017 (UTC) I struck out a few !votes that looked WP:DUCKy. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 04:04, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet investigation closed

The sockpuppet investigation raised by KATMAKROFAN has been closed. Requesting to revoke the striking out of our votes. Aby James (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No. See WP:CANVASSING, WP:MEAT, and Template:Rally. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 17:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Of the first 10 references, five don't mention the subject at all, three are dead links, only one discusses the subject, one contains a peripheral quote. The author seems to be trying to list as many links as possible and hoping that quantity overcomes quality.--Rpclod (talk) 17:24, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I rest my case

It seems my contributions to improve the page is perceived as sockpuppeting, canvassing, and meatpuppetry. All new terms which took good reading to understand the concepts and will take more processes and time to clear.

As one of the people who closely observes the Indian startup ecosystem, I believe Sijo Kuruvilla George's contributions in setting up and founding Startup Village and the subsequent impact it had on the Kerala Startup Ecosystem deserves a Wikipedia page.

The intention is not quantity over quality either. When references and citations were required, those were provided. And all the links provided are to credible sources as outlined in Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The dead links can be retrieved from the Internet Archive. For example, for the 2nd reference retrieved from the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20131029204533/http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131009/lifestyle-offbeat/article/cool-calm-and-oh-so-young. But I feel any attempts to make any more edits will end up being misconstrued. Aby James (talk) 17:55, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I have undone the striking of two editors' comments by User:KATMAKROFAN as being unwarranted. The SPI did not establish any connection, and the other reasons suggested do not justify such refactoring. Cheers, O Fortuna!  ...Imperatrix mundi.  18:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: While the recent edits to the subject article made by Aby James and DhananSekhar are welcome, irrespective of the outcome of the deletion proposal, request them to disclose any personal connections with the subject person in the interest of WP:COI. Since both users have already published their linkedin profiles and websites on the SPI page, hope this is not an unreasonable request. Specifically requesting this because the subject person's linkedin profile appears among "suggested pages" on both profiles, which indicates strong possibility of a non-insignificant connection as per Linkedin algorithms. Aurorion (talk) 18:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: My profession involves researching startups and being involved in the Indian startup ecosystem that includes founders, incubators, accelerators, investors, educational institutions, government bodies etc. I have met Sijo Kuruvilla George and his team as part of my study on the state of student entrepreneurship in Kerala and while he was a visiting consultant for LetsVenture working on policy changes in angel investments in India. I also reach out to him to solicit opinions on startup policies as I do with all my sources. Aby James (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The first two sources are articles from major Indian newspapers mentioning Sijo Kuruvilla George. This is a strong indication that the subject fulfils WP:GNG. Inwind (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment In response to Aurorion's request I would like to disclose that I know Sijo in person and My startup was once incubated in Startup Village. But my startup has no ties with Startup Village at this point of time and I do not have any business or family ties with Sijo. Only reason I'm here is because I have seen first hand how much Sijo has contributed to the growth of startup ecosystem in Kerala. If Sijo was in Silicon Valley, there would be no question about his notability, it's just that in our corner of the world, the ecosystem is not mature enough. Regardless of what the decision is on this article is today, I'm confident that Sijo's page will be in Wikipedia a decade down the line, by which time, I expect our startup ecosystem to mature and Sijo's contributions to become too obvious to ignore. I would take my leave from this discussion by reiterating my stance that this page deserves to stay here. DhananSekhar (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Thank you, Aby James & DhananSekhar for clarifying on your connection with the subject person.


 * Inwind: I don't think being merely mentioned in major newspapers is a sufficient criterion to establish notability - as mentioned by Rpclod, most of the links are about startups or Startup Village, and only mention the subject person trivially. Startup Village may be notable, but that doesn't mean that this person is.


 * At the risk of whataboutery, other articles which I have been involved with have been deleted as a result of similar arguments. For example: Krishnan Ganesh, which in my opinion had far better references (in terms of both quantity and quality) for notability than this subject here. Aurorion (talk) 15:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Aurorion, wish to clarify a couple of points.
 * Sijo Kuruvilla George is the co-founder (Founding CEO) of Startup Village and it was under his leadership that the organisation grew and made the impact in Kerala.
 * The references are to Sijo Kuruvilla George and Startup Village not to startups.
 * From the trivial coverage section you linked to: On the other hand, the notability guideline doesn't require that the subject is the main topic of the source material, only that it's more than a trivial mention. (...) Critical commentary from reputable professional reviewers and prestigious awards are examples of short but significant (i.e. nontrivial) mentions that have been used to establish notability. Aby James (talk) 21:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as clear advertising and the information listed above confirm it, overall the history shows there's no convincing signs of satisfying our policies and what they would need from it. SwisterTwister   talk  05:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment SwisterTwister, the discussions in this page has been based on clarification, substantiating and based on Wikipedia's guidelines. Requesting to clarify and substantiate your statement. Aby James (talk) 08:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge / redirect to Startup Village - a news search brings back many hits to confirm existence, but as the company / organisation article is small, I would prefer to merge things there. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * However, all sources in the link are clear advertising including clear paid press and republished company words. See:


 * 1 is a clearly labeled press release including a full company interview, and in a known paid press
 * 2 is exactly same
 * 3 is same
 * 4 is same
 * 5 is same
 * 6-11 all finally show same, including the consistency in both paid press publications and words. SwisterTwister   talk  01:03, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am not a journalist, so I am not qualified enough to verify the authenticity of press. But, paid press on The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, Malayala Manorama, Reuters, The Economic Times, BBC, Business Line, & CUSAT, all respected organisations? Aby James (talk) 08:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Article and sources do not establish establish notability per guidelines. Fails basic WP:GNG as subject has not received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Article has been "reference bombed" with a lot of sources that do not meet this requirement. Current sources:
 * Deccan Chronicle and Malayala Manorama are deadlinks
 * Reuters. BBC, The Economic Times, CUSAT, first The Hindu reference, all 3  The Financial Express references, Second Business Line reference, second Malayala Manorama reference make no mention him.
 * First Business Line reference - one sentence quote about Emerging Kerala Global Connect
 * Business Standard and IANS - same press release
 * Second The Hindu - quote about expansion of Startup Village
 * The Smart CEO is an interview
 * All five Mathrubhumi references (July 4, 2016, July 11, 2016, July 18, 2016, July 25, 2016, August 1, 2016) - articles written by subject.
 * None of the references where the subject is mentioned meet all 3 requirements of being significant coverage and independent coverage and in a reliable sources.  CBS 527 Talk 16:44, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


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