Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sikh Attack on Nader Shah


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The result was delete. Salvio giuliano 17:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Sikh Attack on Nader Shah

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Looks like a WP:POVFORK. Minor event which fails WP:NOTABLE being portrayed as some sort of battle. The creator of this article used a variety of non-WP:RS ("sikhwiki") and WP:RS which didn't even support the info in this article. Hari Ram Gupta, for example, calls this event "Sikhs rob Nadir's rear," page 54

As seen in Gupta's book and other sources, a lot of stuff happened during Nader Shah's invasion of India, that doesn't mean we should have an article of all it. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, Sikhism, Iran,  and India.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I had information from sikhiwiki added before but the person who reviewed it removed that information but forgot to remove the citation. Ronnie Macroni (talk) 12:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry what? --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * nevermind that but well for the strengths and casualties it is written in the panth prakash and twarikh guru khalsa book about that but I do think 250k troops is exageratted and is most likely around 50-100k. These books are really reliable and are one of the most astonishing books about sikhism. There is a youtuber also who has the name of twarikh guru khalsa. He stated the strengths and some more information and I got some of my information from there. Ronnie Macroni (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest me how to make it better as this was my 2nd proper article made. Ronnie Macroni (talk) 21:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I really doubt these random books are reliable when you have been using non-reliable stuff such as "sikhwiki", sources that dont even mention the event, sources that mention the event but say something else (Hari Ram Gupta) and even start mentioning Youtubers. If you want to improve it, please see WP:RS and WP:SPS for starters. But as I said, this seems like a minor event, not even being a battle and thus not warranting an article. Though you can always prove me wrong. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ok ill look at it thanks for understanding Ronnie Macroni (talk) 01:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete (or redirect) as an unnecessary fork. We have an article on Nader Shah's invasion of India. An account of this battle based on reliable sources should be added there. Srnec (talk) 15:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:POVFORK. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Only one reference. This article fails to prove this attack ever happened. Valiaveetil (talk) 06:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC) (Sock strike — DaxServer (t · m · c) 18:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC))
 * Delete'. Another fake like Outnumbered Sikh battles. Only Jatt Sikh writers like cooking up macho claims like 10,000 Sikhs defeating 250,000 Afghans and Iranians. No real historian gives credence to this. 27.111.75.167 (talk) 08:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand this article isnt good but why are you talking about my other article? I didn't add this battle their and I understand that this article was poorly edited nut Outnumbered Sikh battles is 100% real and why are you referencing it here? Ronnie Macroni (talk) 20:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Partly per the IP above (I was just at Outnumbered Sikh battles and had to rewrite the lead, it is bad) and per nom, and also searching for "Sikh Attack on Nader Shah" only pulls up stuff peripherally related to Sikhs or Nader Shah and forks and mirrors and bizarre Sikh propaganda outlets talking about this "battle". Also, an admitted "skirmish" is a war? Heavy Water (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you Ronnie Macroni (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * also i found the strengths by a sikh youtuber who takes information from the book panth prakash and twarikh guru khalsa. I asked him but he never replied :( Ronnie Macroni (talk) 21:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


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