Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silas Bartsch


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The result was keep. Consensus is that Geo Swan has improved the article sufficiently such that deletion would not be appropriate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Silas Bartsch

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He was the superintendent of a local school district. This is not enough for notability, and there is no special coverage. He had a school named after him, but having a school named after you is not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom, clearly lacks significant coverage. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 06:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, if you plan to continue to nominate articles for deletion would you please make a greater effort to keep those nominations fair and accurate?
 * I know I have pointed out to you, many times, that your previous nominations looked like you were unwilling or unable to comply with the obligations laid upon you by WP:BEFORE. Well, I am going to repeat myself.  Once again it looks like you were unwilling or unable to comply with the obligations laid upon you by BEFORE.
 * Bartsch was more than the first superintendant of a School district. He was one of the most important professors at Fresno Pacific University during its early formative years.
 * I am going to repeat myself, if you are going to make nominations you have a strong obligation to make them fair and accurate. Anything less is highly disrespectful to the individuals who worked on those articles.  Geo Swan (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Nice rescue work by User:Geo Swan, but I'm not convinced the subject passes WP:GNG. The piece from the Reedley Exponent counts, but we need SIGCOV from multiple independent sources, and FPU publications do not qualify as independent in this case. Can you come up with at least one or two further examples of significant coverage from independent, reliable sources sources? Cbl62 (talk) 20:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I went and checked WP:Notability (academics) to confirm my recollection that, as a Dean, his notability was established by, well being a Dean. Good thing I did, as it actually says "generally not sufficient to qualify under Criterion 6 alone, although exceptions are possible on a case-by-case basis".  However, Bartch wasn't just a Dean, he was the young University's first Dean of its School of Professional Studies.  When Bartsch started, the University was a small religious college, and cash poor.  The School of Professional Studies used distance education, correspondence, and its students were not religious students.  If I am reading the documents correctly, many of his students were teachers, working teachers, experienced older teachers, upgrading their credential at a time when older teachers had been able to get a teacher's certificate without finishing a Bachelor's Degree, who wanted to keep up in pay and promotion with younger and more qualified teachers, who had to earn a Bachelor's degree before they applied for Teacher's College.   If I read the source documents properly, this small religious college's expansion to a student body of 10,000 wouldn't have been possible if it hadn't been for the revenue from the distance education to secular students that Bartsch introduced.   So, I suggest that boosts his Deanship to the level where he measures up to ACADEMIC.  That is why I left a keep.  FWIW he did serve a partial term as Acting President of the University.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   22:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG, WP:PROF, WP:BEFORE, and WP:HEY. Based on what's in the article now, the subject clearly passes the relevant notability guidelines. I'm concerned that a reasonable online search was not done prior to the nomination. Superintendents of school districts are not automatically notable, although their policies and decisions can literally be livelihood, life, or death. Professors have several avenues to notability. In any case, did a great job of rescuing this article. Bearian (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


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