Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silas Hathaway (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to The Kid (1921 film). Clear consensus not to keep; redirecting as WP:ATD. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Silas Hathaway
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The person has not received significant attention in reliable sources. he is mentioned as a cast member, and his unverifiable status as last surviving cast member has been discussed on blogs, reddit, facebook, ... but nothing usable to base an enwiki article on that would pass WP:BIO. Fram (talk) 11:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment. I don't understand why I didn't see that this was deleted once before. I looked carefully before writing this article and can't understand how I didn't see the previous deletion. With that said, I certainly recognize that there isn't much out there on him and that he's notable for one movie. But being one of the oldest living silent film actors and being in a movie with Charlie Chaplin seems noteworthy enough for inclusion. I assumed this might get some pushback and I look forward to hearing others' opinions. I just think the checklist we go through for notability might not leave room for some individuals who really are worthy of inclusion. I look forward to the discussion and I'll try to improve it a bit now too. ChrisParker92 (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge or Redirect: While I appreciate the work ChrisParker92 is currently doing on the article, I doubt that there is enough material out there on the subject to sustain an article or to meet the relevant notability guidelines. If the consensus is to "Delete", then I would be happy for a Merge or a Redirect to the existing page on Charlie Chaplin's The Kid (1921 film). Dflaw4 (talk) 13:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * A redirect to "The Kid" obviously makes sense. A merge not so much: the only thing worth noting would be that he has lived for a very long time afterwards, which is an utter "meh" (not for him or his family obviously, but for an encyclopedia). Fram (talk) 13:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Fram, unless anything new turns up, I would think a "redirect" would be best, I agree. And I saw that The Kid page already notes the subject's longevity. Dflaw4 (talk) 01:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Last time we discussed deletion I was on the fence. No new notability has been brought forward this time, so I conclude we must maintain the previous determination of deletion. Binksternet (talk) 13:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect. No matter how notable something may sound in theory, a person still has to have reliable source coverage supporting their notability claim before they get a Wikipedia article for it. Having had an acting role as a baby is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt a person from having to clear WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete appearing in a film as a baby does not make one notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I wrote the first article in 2014 and when it was deleted, I added the comment in the cast list that he is obviously still alive. It could make him notable that he is now among the last surviving silent film actors of all time, but the problem was that there were no journalistic sources that linked other articles about Silas Hathaway with security to the actor from The Kid. --Clibenfoart (talk) 09:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


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