Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silver Spoon (manga)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep and redirect to Hiromu Arakawa. There is no prejudice against recreation should more information become available. lifebaka++ 05:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Silver Spoon (manga)

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No significant coverage by reliable third-party sources beyond standard announcements. Fails both WP:BK and WP:NOTE. Just because the author is famous for one work doesn't automatically denote notability to all her other works. "anyone really think won't be a success?" is just a WP:CRYSTALBALL as the manga has only released one chapter so far. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Hiromu Arakawa. Even if this manga doesn't get enough coverage to meet WP:N redirects are cheep. – Allen4names 14:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to its author. Only on chapter out so not even a collected volume out in Japan. It's way to soon for this work to be notable enough for an article. --KrebMarkt (talk) 19:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hiromu Arakawa. I see no harm in making this into a redirect, the author seems to be notable for other titles and this could be a potential title search by a reader. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 12:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see that Farix has - yet again - decided that it's somehow easier to put an article up for AfD rather than use my CSE (which I provided in my edit summary!)
 * Ritual (and useless) expression of disgust with the utter ovine fecklessness of my fellow editors aside, let's look at the results. To relive my tedium at going through this rigmarole, imagine the following read in the voice of the Count from Sesame Street. 1 RS, 2 RSes, 3 RSes, 4 RSes, ah ha ha ha, 5 RSes, ah ha ha ha.
 * And of course, I only need 3 or so, but 5 makes my point. (And then there are the Japanese hits. But they don't count because they're not, y'know, written in English. Come on, Japanese people, how can we take seriously domains like 'livedoor.biz' as we contemplate this very srs business?) --Gwern (contribs) 16:12 26 April 2011 (GMT)
 * @Gwern All those sources say "Well, the author is working on XYZ new series" all repeating one another. It doesn't go beyond that which is not enough to get a safe keep. I see this as a variant WP:Oneevent applied to the least brainchild manga of a notable mangaka. Whatever it will receive coverage beyond existence acknowledgment remains to be seen even if it's likely to happen. --KrebMarkt (talk) 18:47, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether they are 'repeating one another'. Nowhere in the GNG or anime/manga guidelines do they say 'unless someone decides the articles are of similar content in some way' or Farix's novel claim 'beyond standard announcements', because that would be obviously stupid and bar things like multiple reviews of a movie from showing notability (as WP:MOVIE explicitly says can show notability) - because reviews will tend to repeat each other...
 * I have shown 5 RSs which are 'independent' of the subject (Arakawa & the manga), which are substantial 'significant' coverage of a topic & which are not merely mentions in articles on other topics, and which serve to reference the assertions in the article text. If the notability guidelines mean anything, this AfD is done. --Gwern (contribs) 20:33 26 April 2011 (GMT)
 * An announcement is not significant coverage. Even if the announcement is repeated by 500 sources, It is still not amount to significant coverage because all the coverage put together does not address the subject in detail. Depth of coverage is the difference between an announcement and a review. As for deletion vs. redirect. I don't think redirection is the best answer. Easier to do, but not the best. A new editor attempting to recreate the article may become confused about a redirect if and when the subject does pass WP:NOTE or WP:BK. —Farix (t &#124; c) 13:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At least KrebMarkt can admit she's making up notability guidelines. You just repeat yours. These RSs are not the announcement. They are reliable secondary sources who regard the announcement as so significant - so notable - that it's worth publishing on. That's their editorial job, to decide what of the innumerable press releases and announcements are important, and that is what they have done.
 * And then your anti-redirect point... gosh, it's good for new editors that Farix is looking out for their best interests! Yes, clearly deleting the page entirely so they will want to write an entire amateurish new article is better than redirecting them to a section in the Arakawa article. (Of course, a merge is a better idea than a redirect/wikideletion, since the new editors will see that the topic has been addressed and will have a better starting point than absolutely nothing. Her current fulltime job - Silver Spoon - would be an important part of her biography even if it didn't seem to have substantial autobiographical elements to it.) --Gwern (contribs) 20:58 27 April 2011 (GMT)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Jujutacular  talk 12:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A very notable manga writer has a new series, which does get coverage, and the cover of a major manga magazine even.  D r e a m Focus  20:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep Because WP standards seem to say that any high profile pop culture project should get its own article. I would prefer they say don't write an article until there is something to say about the subject, but that's not what happens here. Even a stub or announcement is useful to interested people.Kitfoxxe (talk) 12:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Hiromu Arakawa. Notability is not inherited. Should this series become notable, no prejudice against re-ceation later. Edward321 (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect until this manga becomes notable of its own right. As it stands it is a little soon to make an article. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.