Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sim Touring Car Cup


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sim Touring Car Cup

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Non-notable gaming league Corvus cornix (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep How is this non notable? I added multiple third party resources including interviews and race reviews as well as a featured article of a official racing simulation online magazine.  It's more notable than Formula SimRacing.--LizardPariah (talk) 00:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The sources aren't third party -- they're the league's official website and a forum, which don't meet WP:RS. I don't think the interviews count for much either. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep what about this? http://autosimsport.net an online racing simulation magazine that featured the STCC. The magazine was no way affiliated with the STCC--LizardPariah (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC). Another, digital dispacement: http://www.digitaldisplacement.com/2007/01/29/sim-touring-car-cup-round-5/  An independent auto sports sim racing reviewer that is not way affiliated with the STCC but featured one of the races--LizardPariah (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * autosimsport.net is actually at thenewmasters.com. But in either case, how do we determine if these sites are notable?  Do they have accredited journalists?  How reliable are their "reporters"?  Do they accpet first-party articles?  We need proof that they're reliable.  Corvus cornix (talk) 00:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll give you the profile of one of the "reliable" writers: "Sports/Feature Writer: Joe Cortez.

Joe comes to the AUTOSIMSPORT Team with two years of experience as a working journalist in television and radio. The winner of several awards for journalistic excellence, Cortez resides in California, after completing his education in Ohio."
 * Keep - If the STCC is not notable, why is Formula_SimRacing notable? They are both simracing leagues, albeit using different simulations. In fact the FSR article, doesn't even contain any third-party sources, it's just... there.  I feel that there should be an article for the STCC, it's informative, it ain't doing damage, and seeing that the STCC is (to my knowledge) one of the most viewed simracing leagues, and has the most professional broadcasts for pretty much the entire video game sector (bar maybe the larger pro-leagues in Korea or other countries), especially being produced by a group of 2 people (Becky and whom-ever commentates with her).    Gu3st (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:WAX, this debate needs ot be about this article, not other articles. meshach (talk) 03:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I realize some of my mistakes and I used these reliable third party resources as a reference to the article. (something i forgot to do).--LizardPariah (talk) 01:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.   jj137  ( Talk ) 00:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see a reliable source in the lot. Corvus cornix (talk) 00:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Sim Racing Tonight: http://simracingtonight.com/pages/section/12hr and online race review provider totally independent from the STCC.--LizardPariah (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a site that broadcasts game recaps. That's not a reliable site.  Give us newspapers and magazines.  Or even books.  Corvus cornix (talk) 01:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I gave you examples already: AutoSimSport online magazine and Digital Displacement Online Reviewer. See above. ^--LizardPariah (talk) 01:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete: That Sim Racing website does appear to be affiliated with the subject of the article. I've searched around, and cannot find any reliable third-party sources. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep How is it affiliated with the STCC? It's an online racing simulation magazine.  It's not produced by the same people. it just featured ONE of the STCC races.--LizardPariah (talk) 01:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That publication doesn't write about anything else. It does not meet WP:RS for this article. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep That publication talks about NOTABLE Racing Simulation. The STCC is just a PART of the entire Racing Simulation authority system.  It is NOT THE entire racing simulation so the magazine does not talk ONLY about the STCC.  In fact there was only A FEW articles talking about the STCC.  A good majority of the articles were talking about leagues taking place in rFactor such as Formula SimRacing.  The STCC takes place in Live for Speed but was notable enough (because of it's 120,000+ spectator count) to have a feature within the AutoSimSport magazine.  In no way shape or form is the STCC affiliated with AutoSimSport and the fact that they got a feature on a official racing simulation magazine is proof of its notability.--LizardPariah (talk) 01:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've struckout all of your extra bold "keep" words, as it is misleading to the consensus that will be built on the article. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry that was my mistake--LizardPariah (talk) 01:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Looks like WP:VSCA to me. -- Dougie WII (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree, unless you consider racing simulation videogames now Cruft, and if it were advertisement, it'd be much less informative and use more persuasive words than the article does use.Gu3st (talk) 03:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment/request could someone please tag the article with the tag that means "regular people outside this subject may not understand this article" and then tell me how to find that tag on my own next time? Because I honestly have no Idea what this article is about. Is it like fantasy football, but for racecars? Or is it closer to SimCity, but for racecars?&mdash;ScouterSig 22:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe ?  Corvus cornix (talk) 23:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mehhhhh, no, not quite what I was thinking. I've seen one of them before. Close but no cigar Corvus. &mdash;ScouterSig 23:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Found it (and on an article called Mothers against decapentaplegic homolog 3 no less! Thanks for your help. &mdash;ScouterSig 00:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe the article could stay, but with that same flag on it, seeing there are future things happening for the STCC, which will come to light in the near future. Can we agree on that as a fair compromise? Gu3st (talk) 02:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Corvus cornix (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someone another (talk) 14:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)