Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simba (rhinoceros)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Doubtful if the incident is worth a mention in the main articles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Simba (rhinoceros)

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 * Delete Doesn't seem notable enough Tomer T (talk) 12:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 August 19.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  13:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is part of the illegal trade in rhino horn, which is (all too) notable and a disastrous risk to a part of wildlife. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:06, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence either in article or via Google that this rhinoceros is actually notable. The attempted theft of Simba's horns was a newsworthy item, but the subject of this newsworthy item was, obviously, not the actual rhinoceros but was instead the attempted theft. No independent notability, and Wikipedia isn't the news in any event. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  14:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable animal although most of the article is about a criminal offence only marginally linked to the actual animal but itself not notable either. MilborneOne (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. 20:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. 20:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to related articles. Either on white rhinoceros or the illegal ivory trade (rhino horns are included under it, though it's technically not ivory).-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  23:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs better sourcing. but has recieved a fair share of publicity so seem also to pass WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * BabbaQ, please mention examples for the publicity of the case. The article states a page in a newspaper, which I cannot determine wheter is a trivial mention or actual coverage. The other source in the article seems out of date. Tomer T (talk) 09:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a full newspaper article about the theft. It was not a casual mention in text which was primarily about something else. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, but what length? Tomer T (talk) 14:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwyrxian (talk) 06:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

 Relisting comment: I think the particular question that needs to be addressed is to what extent the article in question was about the animal, and to what extent it was about the crime (along with a consideration as to whether that one article is sufficient to cover WP:GNG); of course, if more sources were provided, that might modify people's positions. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That can modify, but also the lack of sources and clear information about the coverage should also have an effect (like - let's keep articles with reasonable media coverage, but articles which are not clear on the extent of coverage - which possibly don't have enough coverage - should also be kept, for the benefit of the doubt). Tomer T (talk) 09:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - while this evidently is a newsworthy event, neither the animal, smuggler or crime is notable in the WP sense. Simba is only mentioned in passing by in articles about a non-notable smuggler's crime. This is all I could find on this rhino: 'Simba, 41, white rhinoceros from southern Africa, died from natural causes at the Colchester Zoo in 2009, body should have been incinerated, but his horns was stolen.' If we have a list or article where this could be added, please merge, otherwise, delete. jonkerz ♠talk 21:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.