Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simbo Olorunfemi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   incubate; that is move to Article Incubator/Simbo Olorunfemi with no prejudice to reversing the move at a later date should the article be sufficiently developed. Skomorokh, barbarian  22:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Simbo Olorunfemi

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is a completely unreferenced vanity article containing wild unverified bogus claims Laestrygonian3 (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or  Speedy userfy WP:INCUBATOR - As the article is not backed up with references to reliable sources the claimed WP:N can't be verified. WP:BURDEN is on the editors adding or restoring material and with that in mind I've challenged all claims to notability, deleted them from the mainspace article, and left a message with the editor about userfying until a version can be developed with citations. I suggested the userfy as the editor that credited this only has one edit (the one that created the article) meaning it'll likely take him or her a while to get up to speed on reliable sources, etc. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 03:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I put in some more time on this to see if I could establish notability. While I'm tempted to strike WP:INCUBATOR I'll leave it to the INCUBATOR folks to decide if they want to continue with this project. The potentially WP:AUTHOR qualifying points are:
 * Won the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) Cadbury poetry prize in 2004 and short-listed for the 1993 ANA poetry prize. I was unable to locate reliable source mention of these nor did I find evidence that they are major or notable prizes.
 * Rhythm of the Coins received critical acclaim worldwide. Unable to find any evidence of critical acclaim.
 * Per Worldcat two of his poetry collections are in several university libraries. This seems to meet WP:AUTHOR point 4 "had works in many significant libraries."
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! style="font-weight:normal; text-align:left;" |Use [show](to the right) to view detailed notes. Here are potentially WP:AUTHOR qualifying claims made by the creator of the article and the results of my attempts to verify them: Details on books/works
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 * "Simbo Olorunfemi at 15 wrote the novel, The Cardinal Mafia." No evidence of this at all per Google. Apparently this is an unpublished novel.
 * "A Political Science Undergraduate at the time." - Not really a WP:N point but being a Political Science Undergraduate at age 15 is likely something that would have attracted attention. It would help if the article named the school? I did not try to verify this.
 * "His first published work, Rhythm of the Coins, received critical acclaim worldwide, acknowledged by one of the critics as “a statement that the Nigerian literary scene is not entirely off-course.”" I verified that the book exists but as noted above, I found no evidence of critical acclaim.
 * "Rhythm of the Coins was short-listed for the 1993 Association of Nigerian Authors Poetry Prize." Unable to locate a reliable source for this claim.
 * "His book EKO REE – the many faces of Lagos, won him the coveted ANA/Cadbury poetry prize in 2004." Unable to locate a reliable source for this claim.
 * Rhythm of the Coins (1993) published by Dreams Communications (Lagos, Nigeria). ISBN 9783222201. Unknown binding though one site reports hardcover. 108 pages.
 * Summary - The book exists but no evidence of critical acclaim nor award short listing.
 * No copies available on AbeBooks.
 * Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk report ISBN 9783222201, unknown Binding, 108 pages, published by Dreams Communications (1993). Neither site has reviews or mention of "critical acclaim worldwide." It's not carried on any of the other Amazon sites.
 * The country/group code for that ISBN translates to Nigeria. Usually this indicates the country of publication.
 * Open Library adds LCCN 94164698, Dewey: 821, LC: PR9387.9.O3948 R48 1993, and Notes: Poems.
 * Worldcat shows that WP:AUTHOR point 4 "had works in many significant libraries" may be met.
 * getcited.org adds "Dreams Communications (Lagos)."
 * Bookfinder adds "Edition	Hardcover."
 * Unable to locate any reliable pages for the publisher Dreams Communications.
 * 28 web hits. Google did not find] any other pages of interest other than other poetry collections.
 * Eko Ree (The many faces of Lagos) (2003) published by hoofbeats.com, Ikeja-Lagos, Nigeria. ISBN 978322221X, 121 p. : ill., 21 cm.
 * Summary - it's interesting that OCLC reports physical copies in multiple libraries but none seem to exist on the standard book selling sites. There's indirect evidence that the collection won the ANA's Cadbury Prize for Poetry in 2004.
 * 9 ghits.
 * Listed as OCLC 70008328 and may qualify for WP:AUTHOR point 4 "had works in many significant libraries."
 * Unable to find evidence of a hoofbeats.com or hoofbeat.com in Nigeria. I tried www.hoofbeats.com, www.hoofbeats.com.ng, www.hoofbeats.com.au, www.hoofbeat.com, and www.hoofbeat.com.ng. In the article there's the claim "Simbo Olorunfemi at present is the Chief Executive Officer of HOOFBEAT.COM, a communications consultancy based in Lagos" implying the book is self published. The subject apparently wrote this article and includes "Simbo olorunfemi, is a poet and advertising practitioner with Hoofbeat.com, Suite 12, COOP Building, 146/148, Obafemi Awolowo way, Ikeja, Lagos."
 * The ISBN 978322221X is not in use on Amazon, Abebooks, etc. nor does this collection show up in author-name searches on those sites.
 * blacklooks.org reports on November 10th, 2004, "The Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA) celbrated its 23rd annual convention and awarded the following prizes" ... "Simbo Olorunfemi’s Eko Ree which won the $1,000 ANA/Cadbury Prize for Poetry. Eko Ree, a collection of poems portrays the city of Lagos as a moving magic where inhabitants eke out their living in most bewildering ways." Sourced to All Africa News. Subscription required to view original article.
 * thisdayonline.com has an article about the initial presentation. Per the URL this article was posted on 9 Dec 2003 but the article banner says "Dateline: 15/11/2004 23:36:42" which is nearly a year later. It's a poetry collection. There's no mention of the Cadbury Prize for Poetry.
 * Africa.com has a trivial mention on 19 September 2008. "I owe it to Simbo Olorunfemi who did an award-winning piece on Lagos called Eko Ree (in Yoruba meaning "This is Lagos")."
 * Singing in the Rain (2007) published by Raider Publishing International. ISBN 1934360406. Paperback.
 * 372 ghits with all of those being book seller sites except a public library in Fresno, California with two copies.
 * OCLC 263036950 reports only basic publisher data. The only library carrying this is the one in Fresno, California.
 * Raider Publishing International appears to be a vanity publisher per this page.
 * Some sites report this as December 2007 and/or 31 December 2007.
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 * Summary - I believe if anyone interested is in continuing this project that they will need to talk with the author to dig up reliable sources. Given the level of detail included when the article was created it's likely the editor who did this is the author or someone related. Another possible way to contact him is that his e-mail address in 2007 is on the travelmole.com site (see notes above for the full URL). --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 23:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Summary - I believe if anyone interested is in continuing this project that they will need to talk with the author to dig up reliable sources. Given the level of detail included when the article was created it's likely the editor who did this is the author or someone related. Another possible way to contact him is that his e-mail address in 2007 is on the travelmole.com site (see notes above for the full URL). --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 23:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - If userfying is being considered, as was suggested above, I submit that it might be better to move this article to WP:INCUBATOR, a new project that is essentially the same as the userfy option, except it's in a central area, in the project namespace. The advantages of incubation over userfication are that more eyes will see the article, and that it won't sit there indefinitely out of sight if no improvement occurs. Thanks for your consideration. -GTBacchus(talk) 09:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:INCUBATOR seems like a good place as the user that created the article seems to be gone. It looks like this one could turn into a minor constellation of articles
 * Association of Nigerian Authors - stub
 * The ANA/NDDC Drama Prize
 * The ANA/NDDC Prose Prize
 * The ANA/NDDC Poetry Prize (also called ANA/NDDC Gabriel Okara Poetry Prize)
 * The ANA/NDDC Flora Nwapa Prize for Women’s Writing
 * The ANA/Cadbury Poetry Prize
 * The ANA/Spectrum Prize
 * The ANA/Atiku Abubakar Prize for Children’s Literature
 * The ANA/Christopher Okigbo Prize
 * ANA Poetry Prize (also known as Association of Nigerian Authors Poetry Prize. This may be the same as one of the two poetry prizes above)
 * Nigeria Prize for Literature (this is also from the ANA)
 * Each needs to be researched for notability. The subject of the AFD won the Cadbury Poetry Prize for 2004. A quick scan did not fine WP:N references for the prize itself. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 11:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * I'd like to Keep, as he appears to be notable, but this is so poorly written that it may need to go to the incubator or to the creator's user space. Bearian (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.