Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Ashley (3rd nomination)


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The result was Delete. NPOL does not automatically make city councillors notable, not even from a big city like Manchester. In the absence of reliable sources going beyond a passing mention, notability has not been established. Randykitty (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Simon Ashley
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This article should be deleted. It was never anything more than a stub, and the subject isn't even a member of the council anymore since he lost his seat in 2011. Totally fails notability. 88.104.6.198 (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I completed the nom for the IP. Ansh666 22:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The fact that he isn't in office anymore is irrelevant to his notability or lack thereof. We're an encyclopedia, not a directory of current officeholders — so once a politician has been properly established as passing WP:NPOL, they are notable not only for the duration of their term in office, but forever. And as a councillor in Manchester, one of the largest and most internationally famous cities in England, he does qualify for a presumption of notability under NPOL — he wouldn't get to keep the article if the sourcing can never actually get any better than this, granted, but he's entitled to a chance for the sourcing to improve. So the article should be flagged for refimprove, and should certainly be reconsidered for deletion in due time if no refimprovement actually results from that — but for the moment the deletion rationale is invalid and the article should therefore be kept. And apropos of nothing, if this is a third nomination then where are the first two? Bearcat (talk) 23:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. One trivial ref. Local councillor of no note. Google returns news articles on his work etc. But it is of the kind that fails WP Politician because its just local stuff. Nothing to indicate he passes GNG either. Szzuk (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply being a councillor in Manchester does not make a person as notable as Manchester itself. Local councillors are rarely notable enough to have article pages of their own and should either be included in list articles as a group or articles about their local area. As he is no longer a councillor, it wouldn't be appropriate to include him in either anymore and it is extremely doubtful that he is likely to acquire a higher level of notability than he already has. This article has been nothing more than a stub for almost 10 years now. A notability tag was placed on the article over two months ago but has not led to any improvement. The article has survived two previous attempts at deletion purely because not enough people were interested in discussing it, which says it all really. Aristiano (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable former local councillor. Tiller54 (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. XiuBouLin (talk) 09:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:POLITICIAN. The leader of Manchester City Council might manage to be notable,  but not the leader of an opposition party.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete -This is the 3rd nomination and i would think its time to lay it down. delete away! Canyouhearmenow 03:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's not the third nomination — I don't know why "(3rd nomination)" is in the title of this page, because there hasn't been a "first" or "second" nomination at all. Bearcat (talk) 03:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes (City councillors and other major municipal officers are not automatically notable, although precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo or London.) The topic does meet WP:NPOL.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 11:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 180.172.239.231 (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment there's a first nomination mentioned on the talk page, from 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdventurousMe (talk • contribs) 14:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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