Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Friend (Levellers)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Levellers (band). given its twisted history, I will protect the redirect. Randykitty (talk) 13:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Simon Friend (Levellers)

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Article has been repeatedly redirected to The Levellers and then recreated by the same editor. Time to formally put it to bed one way or the other. Lithopsian (talk) 13:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The Article includes information not included on the Levellers Band page, the article includes information exclusively about the subject matter. The subject matter does not exclusively relate to the Levellers. There are multiple articles consisting of far less information than has been provided about the subject matter on this particular article. The article is not the "finished article, and further information will be added. Wikipedia is constantly expanding. Slade121 (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Gameinfirmary (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Gameinfirmary (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Gameinfirmary (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Levellers per WP:MUSICBIO -  No individual notability has been demonstrated outside of the band, therefore redirect is the only option. If the article keeps getting recreated without demonstration of individual notability, then delete and salt. Hzh (talk) 13:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We do not delete and salt plausible redirects. We WP:BLAR and then, if necessary, apply page protection so that only admins (or whatever level we choose to set the protection at) can edit. Per WP:R we do not delete redirects unless they are positively harmful. James500 (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - It does not seem to be the case anywhere else, that an individual has to have had a solo career to warrant an article about them. Slade121 (talk) 15:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Having a solo career is just an example. The idea is that the person needs to do something more than what he did in the band, for example, joined another notable band, has other notable careers such as acting,  etc. I do see other musicians having individual articles despite not having done anything significant outside the band, and when I see these articles, I would normally redirect them. Hzh (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Simon Friend was one of the more well-known members of the band called The Levellers, and I see other members of the band have articles about them. Simon Friend was not just in the Levellers, but, as the article about him says, in a band called New Model Army. Vorbee (talk) 16:50, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Umm, he was a roadie for New Model Army. No one would describe it as being part of a band. Hzh (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Friend declined an offer to become the guitarist for New Model Army, am i to take it, that if he had accepted his offer and then at a later stage joined the Levellers, he would then be able to have a wikipedia article about him. Slade121 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, if he had accepted the offer, then he would have done something else significant outside of the band. That is the guidelines per WP:MUSICBIO.  Please note that you are not allowed to vote multiple times. Hzh (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Unbolding multiple !votes by same contributor. -The Gnome (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Ultimately the arguments that have been forward do not suggest that he is not a 'notable musician', he is an integral member of the band and frequently takes on the role of frontman. It seems slightly silly to be considering deleting the article, merely because he has only had a leading role in one band. Slade121 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That is the guideline. You can argue for a change in the guideline, but arguing against the guideline is not relevant here. Hzh (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. If kept, just rename to Simon Friend. Only one here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Vorbee (talk) 19:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Avoid bolding in a way that suggest it is a vote when you have already voted. Hzh (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Unbolded, if that's a word, to ease closing admin's navigation. -The Gnome (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete on account of lack of sources verifying independent notability as a musician. At best, Merge whatever material is based on sources to "Levellers (band)". And since the article keeps getting resurrected, Salting of this specific page should probably be considered. -The Gnome (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.