Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Grindrod


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Simon Grindrod

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The article fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG, since Grindrod has only been a local municipal councillor and not held any prominent political office or received significant news coverage, as required. Despite him being deputy leader of the Independent Democrats for a brief period, there is no mention of him on the ID's article. The sole "reference" situated on Grindrod's article is dead. The article is also outdated. Lefcentreright Talk  (plz ping) 18:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Cape Town is certainly a large and important enough city that its city councillors could potentially keep substantive and well-sourced articles that featured detail on their political significance, but this is written much more like the kind of "staff" profile you might expect to see on the city council's own self-published website about itself, and cites exactly zero reliable sources at all. Being deputy leader of a small political party is also not a notability freebie that would exempt him from having to be more substantive and better sourced than this, either. And it's existed for 12 years in this state without ever seeing a whit of improvement, to boot. So no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source something much better than this, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be written and sourced much better than this. Bearcat (talk) 02:40, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete until more sourcing is found. I've found lots of quotes from the subject, but little coverage that appears to be about the subject in a significant manner (see this Irish Times article). It would not surprise me if there are more sources about the subject that exist, but I'm having difficulty finding good sources. (That said, there is reliable third-party coverage of the two main claims in the article 1) the subject did serve on the Cape Town city council and 2) that the subject was the former National Deputy Leader of the Independent Democrats. --Enos733 (talk) 04:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - only coverage is the type of routine local coverage that one would expect.  Onel 5969  TT me 04:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG, --SalmanZ (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacking of reliable source. Barca (talk) 13:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW, WP:POLOUTCOMES, and WP:MILL. Like this subject, lower level party officials are not notable. A search online found a few news articles, but nothing outside of the usual local coverage. Bearian (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW, WP:POLOUTCOMES, and WP:MILL.4meter4 (talk) 12:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


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