Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Ilincev


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 09:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Simon Ilincev

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WP:BLP of a child writer, with no properly sourced evidence of passing WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the notability test requires evidence of significance, such as winning major literary awards and/or having received enough reliable source critical attention to clear WP:GNG. But this is referenced entirely to unreliable primary sources such as Amazon and GoodReads and a press release on the self-published website of the school he attends, with not a shred of real independent third party media coverage shown at all. This is not how you reference a writer as notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Bearcat (talk) 17:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - No in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources, so he doesn't pass WP:GNG, and he clearly doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. Onel 5969  TT me 17:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - It is said 'writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles', but it is not highlighted that the author is 13, something that should be 'notable'. Ilincev was on the List of books written by children or teenagers, and all of those that are listed have their own wiki articles, even if they only wrote a single book (example: Faiza Guene). So, Ilincev should be included. As to the so-called 'unreliability' of the sources, it should be shown that these were used to reference personal information about the author, and the school websites' article was written by one of their administrators, not by Ilincev himself, of course. As well as that, the author is the only Czech child author. Is that not notable?AlphArcher (talk) 17:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are erroneously conflating subjective criteria of importance with notability. Notability is not fame nor importance.  It is, indeed, what we came up with years ago when we found that Project:fame and importance did not work.  A biographical subject gets a biographical article if there is in-depth documentation of the subject's life and works from multiple sources with good reputations for fact checking and accuracy, from which to construct a biography in accordance with our content policies.  It's that simple, and a good argument for having a biography, that will actually hold water where subjective evaluations of importance will not, is to cite multiple good sources that document this person's life and/or works in depth.  Uncle G (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Notability, for Wikipedia purposes, is not "has done something that I find interesting" — it is "has received reliable source coverage in media for it". Even a person who was actually the Second Coming of Jesus Christ wouldn't get a biographical article about him on Wikipedia until after media have written about his claim. Bearcat (talk) 21:29, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC) Note to ivoters and closing administrator: E.M.Gregory is a blocked sock. Lightburst (talk) 12:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Being a child author is rare, and AlphArcher makes a good point in saying the notability of Ilincev publishing a novel at that age is sufficient to warrant an article. Threyed (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Threyed, Welcome to Wikipedia. I can see that  this is your very first edit.  It takes a while to understand how Wikipedia works, so allow me to suggest that you read  WP:NOTAVOTE and WP:GNG, and understand that while your comment may be true, it is necessary to support opinions with WP:RS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * User:E.M.Gregory Thank you for informing me. I still think my opinion should count, but I was just reaffirming the obvious fact that AlphArcher pointed out while looking through the Articles for Deletion section, that of the comparison to other child authors.Threyed (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No matter how "rare" something may be, a person becoming notable for it requires him to have received media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:SIGCOV. TeriEmbrey (talk) 18:25, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete being a teenager who gets works published is not read enough to give default notability. We need third party coverage which is lacking here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


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