Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Lyons


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The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  | Talk 00:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Simon Lyons

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The subject of this orphan article doesn't appear to be notable taking into account the recommendations at WikiProject Football/Notability &mdash; Rod talk 19:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Question: isn't he on the very edge of passing the (admittedly very liberal indeed) standard you describe? If I read the soccerbase ref correctly, he played 11 games for Torquay United F.C., who at the time were members of The Football League. Doesn't that mean "a fully professional club at a national level"? Soccerbase says he was a "trainee", which I suppose counts as professional football.  To my mind this falls squarely into the "why would anyone except his mum care?" territory, but (if I understand the notability standard properly, which I quite possibly don't) then he's just inside it. 87.114.147.43 (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Response I'm not sure if the page at WikiProject football counts as a "standard" but to my mind being a trainee doesn't make him a professional, but the fact none of the club articles, including Torquay, link to the articles indicates he was not very senior/notable.&mdash; Rod talk 22:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - played nine times in a fully professional league (The Football League) so handily passes WP:ATHLETE even without taking WP:FOOTYN into account, which for the record was rejected by the community months and months ago and is never cited by any WP:FOOTY regulars. The "trainee" reference on Soccerbase means that he joined the club as a trainee, not that he was one at the time he played for the club's first team (see for example David Beckham, whose Man U career is shown in the same way) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - has made nine fully-professional appearances. It would be impossible for clubs to all link to all players who played for them in their main articles. matt91486 (talk) 11:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 14:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, fully professional appearances in league, FA cup and FL trophy, passes WP:ATHLETE.-- Club Oranje T 00:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


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