Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon family


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community. Simon Theatre doesn't feel like the right place, but some of it could go there too. There's not enough to stand alone, though. - Krakatoa  Katie  08:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Simon family

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This is an article about a non-notable family who have lived in Brenham, Texas. One member of the family constructed a now-closed theater which had been designed by a well-known architect. The theater, Simon Theatre, is also up for deletion. There appear to be no reliable sources about this family, although they are mentioned in passing in articles about a Brenham synagogue. I don't believe this family, or its members, meet(s) the criteria for notablity. Karanacs 17:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - with sources like geocities you just know this is notable! Law &amp; Disorder 17:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Crazysuit 20:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete and Salt per WP:SNOW --Thinboy00 talk/contribs 22:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   —— Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 04:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community because this article is part of a group of articles relating to Jews and Judaism in Texas (the others being James Simon (Businessman), Henry Cohen Community House, Jimmy Kessler, Rosa Levin Toubin, Simon Theatre Simon family, Joe Levin (Businessman), Alex Simon, Sam H. Toubin) that have been nominated for deletion by User (and another, Temple Freda nominated by another user) yet taken as a whole these articles are a valuable set of records about a topic in a state with relatively few Jews and with an even scantier record of notable Jews, Judaism and Jewish history in it. There is indeed a great need for an article about History of the Jews in Texas and these articles would all be good starting points and resources for it. This article, like the others in this group, cite adequate sources and meet the minimal requirements to be kept. The nominator is requested to reconsider her nominations of these articles. Thank you, IZAK 04:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If they are only notable when taken as a whole, then they do not belong as individual articles. Instead, any important, and reliably sourced (geocities and earthlink random webpages don't count), information should be merged into a separate article, such as History of the Brenham Jewish Community. Karanacs 14:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Karanacs: So then you should have nominated the articles for merging and the sourcing could have been improved with enough goodwill and especially since these are not controversial articles everyone could have agreed on an amicable solution. Thanks, IZAK 19:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Deletesimply being Jewish and from Texas is not enough for notability.Ridernyc 06:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Notability" is measured by available sources, not by race or location. --SmokeyJoe 09:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge any relevant info to History of the Brenham Jewish Community. --Eliyak T · C 11:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect into History of the Brenham Jewish Community Merge notible family members into article as well. Nsaum75 23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * REQUEST: In order to reach a greater consensus about the related "Texas Jews articles" that have been nominated for deletion, please see and add your views at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thank you, IZAK 00:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community. In the current state of the article, it looks like the sources are essentially primary, which would mean that Wikipedia would be the first place that a comprehensive article on this family would be published. Understanding and appreciating the effort involved in bringing this material together, the difficulty is that Wikipedia is intended only to republish material whose significance and accuracy has been previously vetted by other sources; a first biography would be prohibited by the no original research policy and biography guideline. I would suggest merging this material with an article on a broader topic such as History of the Brenham Jewish Community, since the policy for stand-alone biographies is stricter than the requirements for brief mention in a broader article. As a stand-alone article there currently isn't enough sourcing to meet policy requirements. If additional sourcing is found please let me know and I'd be happy to reconsider. Best, --Shirahadasha 01:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I would urge not treating good faith and potentially valuable contributions which happen not to meet policy requirements as if they were vandalism. Salting and the like is reserved strictly for the latter. Volunteers, imperfect and merely human, contribute time and effort to produce these articles. We lose when we fail to acknowledge or respect this. See WP:BITE. --Shirahadasha 01:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community or Simon Theatre. Bhaktivinode 13:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment So far, there has only been one vote to delete the Simon Theatre, so it should be considered as a possible place for the article to be merged with. Bhaktivinode 02:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community. --Brewcrewer 04:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficient sources for a subject so old. Merge is acceptable, subject to debate and acceptance at the target.  --SmokeyJoe 08:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to History of the Brenham Jewish Community. The content of this article is already there!  --SmokeyJoe 08:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to History of the Brenham Jewish Community. The content of this article is already there!  --SmokeyJoe 08:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.