Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sin Boards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 19:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sin Boards
I believe that this is a non-notable messageboard. We don't, for example, have an article about the University of Michigan's forum. Or most university forums for that matter. ~crazytales56297 - t- e 23:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Zeppelin: Who are you to judge what is notable or not. If the University of Michigan forum wishes to have a piece about it then it is not any of my business. The Sin Boards are a great resource for people to interact with in a college setting where they are not judged by their appearance or their position in society but mearly by their words and actions. That is a great thing and something that should be remembered and the community that is created online should be fostered. Not distoyed by someone with an inflated sense of self importance. Also how is this not of note. Reading through the opinion on the board you get the real ideas and thoughts of people in Ireland. For instance of the links is to a debate on Northern Ireland. With sides of the arguement that are never heard outside of Ireland. Have a read of that thread and see if you don't learn something about the conflict in Northern Ireland that you would not hear about in America. Wikipedia is supposed to be different then a standard Encyclopedia it is supposed to show all the worlds knowledge and the world in all its truth not just that which pass into the dusty volumes in the local library. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.71.100.248 (talk • contribs).
 * None of that has any bearing upon whether this encyclopaedia article should exist, something that is governed by our Policies and guidelines. Uncle G 19:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Paddy: Indeed, Zeppelin is right on the ball. With the ever-increasing fees slowly creeping into the Irish third-level education system, the prospect of people being "left behind" in society grows greater each day, i.e. the less well-off members of society. Great strides have been made by the Department of Education and Science in recent years to increase the number of those people from the bottom end of the income ladder who are most at risk of being excluded from receiving a full education. Various initiatives have resulted in totals losers (up to that point), making it through. Now, you may ask how the Sin Boards fits into this? Well, it's like this: on reading the Sin Boards, you will quickly see that the posters on the Sin Boards are nothing more than the dregs of society, scrapped from the bottoms of buckets littered throughout the west of Ireland. These people struggle through the system, not because of the support offered by the insitution itself, but in spite of it. The Sin Boards members collectively provide a full support system for students who fail exams, miss their annual registration, can't find appropriate accommodation within which to base their studies in an already difficult environment, get into serious financial difficulty or just find their housemates to be really annoying. It offers an opportunity for members to discuss the best and worst moments of their day from seeing a nice flower near your house to having to walk to college on a rainy day, similar to how Americans openly discuss their "feelings" and then give out about people prying so deeply into their lives. In addition, it's the oldest and most successful forum in any educational institute in Ireland, some achievement for a small university in the west of Ireland. The forum picks up some three million hits per year. Multiple awards collected over recent years make testament to the success of these Boards. If the University of Michigan chooses not to set up something to support those unfortunate people from the lowest rung of society in their particular area, good for them, but I feel that the Sin Boards are something to be proud of. (And that's all from a neutral, not involved in any way whatsoever, not even a little bit, standpoint.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.203.7.33 (talk • contribs).
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - does not assert notability. MER-C 12:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not feckin delete it - are you some sort of deletion expert now or something? Paddy. 13:22, 20 September 2006 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.203.7.37 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 12:22:24
 * Delete Typical forum vanity, though at least it's shorter than most. The "boards" in question don't even have their own domain, and the host site is Alexa-ranked at 40,911. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  12:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Starblind. --Merovingian - Talk 12:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete as per Ju66l3r and Badbilltucker. The University's page should include an external link to the forum or something.  --Merovingian - Talk 08:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. "It is an utter waste of time", apparently. Can't say fairer than than. Onebravemonkey 12:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please point out the part of the Wikipedia Policies and guidelines say that for an article to be notable the Alexa rating has to be higher then 40,911? Also Please point out the part of the Policies and guidelines that this site specifically violates. So far the only arguement is that the site is not important enough to the above contributors without taking due consideration what it means to people it does effect. This seems to me to be against the ethos of Wikipedia to respect all different peoples  Zeppelin. 13:39, 20 September 2006 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.71.226.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 12:45:05
 * Delete - the relevant notability guideline is WP:WEB, and the article shows no sign of meeting it. A lack of reliable sources doesn't help. --Huon 13:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * One of the Criteria for web content "The website or content has won a well known and independent award, either from a publication or organisation." The Sin website has won the Best Website award at the National Student Media Awards (SMEDIA). http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2001/04/15/story562344928.asp. Zeppelin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.71.226.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 13:19:40
 * That's an award for the host site, not the boards themselves. And I'm not sure I'd call it a "well known award" either. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - there are thousands of messageboards like this on the web and few if any are notable in Wikipedia terms. This article really amounts to a vanity item for the boards' users BTLizard 13:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And your are basing your "And I'm not sure I'd call it a "well known award"" on what critrea? That it is not American? The link I gave to the site is from Irelands leading Business News Paper. Zeppelin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.71.226.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 14:19:39
 * Delete, nothing special about this forum. No third party sources. Recury 14:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete, this is just as relevent a topic as many of the other topics that have extensive articles on them. while I dislike that the boards' politics have spilled into the article, and that vandalism has occurred, i still think the boards should be allowed an article, and if this article is deemed inconsequential, then many more articles will have to be pruned, for there are many articles that are equally as "unimportant" as you percieve this one to be. ISTPQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.203.12.243 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 15:51:21
 * Yes, there are tons more to be pruned, so don't make our job any harder than it has to be by adding more like this. Recury 16:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not delete Sure there are thousands of boards on the web but a small proportion of these provide a service on the same level that the Sin Boards do. As Paddy and zeppelin pointed out, it is an irreplacable resource to the students of NUI, Galway, as university that attracts people from all over the world to study and an external source of information on the boards can only be beneficial to all concerned. - Triangler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.29.112 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 15:56:25
 * Delete per nom. &mdash;  Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  16:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete no WP:RS reliable sources to satisfy WP:RS.-- danntm T C 16:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete No notable. DJ Clayworth 17:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:WEB. My alma mater has forums, too. They're not listed here. How many thousands of universities are there? Every one has a forum nowadays. Fan-1967 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete: Merge with the university's page or just delete.  I don't see why it couldn't help fill the university stub though.  ju66l3r 18:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Fan-1967. Forum fanboys aren't helping their case, either. Danny Lilithborne 19:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Starblind. --Aaron 19:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete - no case has been made yet to convince me that any relevant data on these boards could not be included in the article for the school itself, particularly considering that the school's own page is as short as it is. There's obviously lots of room on that page still available.  Badbilltucker 20:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. SkipSmith 22:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perspective Most of the posts in favour of deletion are reasonable however a lack of local knowledge is blinding you to the genuine usefulness of the boards. Galway has a population in the region of 80,000 people. The university has a student population in the region of 15,000. I can understand completely that from your perspective, the boards are insignificant but given the size of the university population in relation to the size of Galway as a whole, I can assure you, the boards are more significant than you realise. - Triangler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.29.112 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 23:43:36
 * The size of a university undergraduate population relative to the population of Galway has nothing whatsoever to do with whether Wikipedia should have an article about some discussion fora on a web site. Please base your arguments on our Policies and guidelines.  The relevant ones have already been linked to. Uncle G 00:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. I certainly wouldn't make an article about the University of Waterloo forums. Waterloo, Ontario has a population of roughly 110,000, about one quarter of which are students. Regardless, the forum doesn't meet criteria in WP:WEB. --Wafulz 03:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete All of the forum members attempting to save this article are certantly passionate about the forum, and have established that it serves a purpose. However every message board serves a purpose.  As useful as it may be, it is not notable enough for an article per WP:WEB. Resolute 05:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete While I note that the article itself does not assert its own noteworthyness, I'm sure that if the person who put the content there in the firstplace read the WP:WEB, they probably would have inserted the necessary proof. However my understanding of Wiki Entries is that initial entries are skelleton entries there for others to add to, and after some of the material from this page is inserted into the main article, then the article will have proven itself noteworthy. as per the WP:WEB. Arion


 * Do Not Delete Well it doesn't really matter to regualr users of the boards but a wiki entry could help more people in college in N.U.I.G. find our site and the resources it contains. If you want wiki to be fully comprehensive then leave it. I doubt that it will be left but i ask you: why the hell not? - toiletduck


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.