Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sin Pit


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Article needs work, but that's not reason to delete. Enough sources available to establish notability. Randykitty (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Sin Pit

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Not a notable book. Article claims (without evidence) that it has "cult" status due to the low distribution. Book is not mentioned in the author's obituary, author does not have a Wikipedia page to redirect the title to. A Guardian article has a trivial mention and there are a few blogs with book reviews, but no substantial coverage found. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I found one review about the book: The article notes: "Despite lurid sensationalism apparently aimed at a fast buck, his new book about this area, especially the East Side, captures St. Louis speech and atmosphere with the authenticity of an expertly operated Leica. ... The book is full of contradictions. It is so fast moving that, if you have a strong stomach, you can't lay it down. Yet it has a despicable denouement, practically a caricature of Mickey Spillane. In style, too, it spills over with Spillane in passages of sex and sadism. There is more than an echo of Shakespeare, speaking with a Spillane accent, in descriptions of dawn over the river. Ranging from dead-pan brutality to hopped-up purple prose, here are fair samples of Meskil's melange of styles:" One book review is not enough to establish notability. Notability (books) says: "A book is notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria: The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book." If a second book review can be found, I support retention. If a second book review cannot be found, I support:First preference: a merge to a new article about the author at Paul Meskil using sources like this obituary from the New York Daily News and a Scripps Howard News Service article (from this book, "Under the heading, "Rainbow over Gotham," the Scripps-Howard News, the organization's monthly slick paper magazine, devoted two of its eighteen pages to Meskil—a story and eight pictures".)Second preference: deletion</li></ol>Cunard (talk) 09:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:NBOOK ie. 2 or more reviews, in addition to the review found by above, The UNZ Review lists a review in the Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine (see here); btw would be reluctant to support an author article (unless Meksil's other work is significant/well known, although doesn't appear to have written much else, see worldcat listing here) as Sin Pit does not appear to support this (see here). Coolabahapple (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding the Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine review ! I think Paul Meskil could be notable not as a book author but as a journalist. Cunard (talk) 05:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * fair point. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The book passes Notability (books) with one review in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and one review in the Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine. Cunard (talk) 05:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This article does not talk about the book. It talks about pulp fiction (and includes another author) that has found an audience among aficionados of pulp fiction. Where is the synopsis, where is the plot, where is the cover, where is the author? This is a pointless article. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * so improve it, see delete? no just clean it. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


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