Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sin Star

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. I count 4 delete votes (including nominator), 3 keep votes and 1 merge vote. Too small a difference for consensus. &mdash; J I P | Talk 19:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Sin Star
This vanity page for a band that does not meet the guidelines of WP:MUSIC contains an unusually large number of external links. It is the third of a group of three articles that I am recommending together for deletion. DavidConrad 04:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nnbv. -- BD2412 talk 05:03, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 'There is no doubt Sin Star has a long way to go "on the road to fame" but they have proven they will stop at nothing to further establish their name and leave their problems in the wake.''


 * There is no doubt this band should be deleted unless their name is established first. Contains rumours and promotional language. Article is also a school example of link spam. You don't need to link an official website and its forums seperately and if you link a forum as a source, you'll need the specific thread to back up claims. - Mgm|(talk) 09:54, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mgm. KissL 10:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity DV8 2XL 11:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep users:sin-thetik 11:38 August 2005 (EST) I will edit the page to remove promotional language, I am very familliar with this band. They aren't just well known for their music but also their promotional sucsess. I will cite sources for them over if given time. It would be ashame to have them removed when it is apparent they had nothing to do with the creation of it. The external links you say are abundant are to sites that have a signfigance in that promotional sucsess.
 * Keep I have edited the page including information, sources , and otherwise that meets the guidelines. Thanks. unsigned comment from Sin-thetik 13:37, 31 August 2005
 * Merge with Mind Pollution. Factitious 11:59, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * There are 51 external links in the article. A Google search for "Sin Star" results, aside from their home page, mostly in pages that do not seem to have anything to do with the band, including, which appears to be a different artist altogether. The only thing allmusic has on "Sin Star Project" (they have nothing on "Sin Star") is Genre: Rock. A few quotes from the article: "Davien Crow has appared in [Ultima Online] as a promotion geusture but it is unknown as to if this was an official or not." "Sin Star currently does not have a drummer and their is no speculation that they will hire one until the completion of the upcoming album." "Sin Star's debut full length album ... has been in the works for over a year now." I'm sticking with my original recommedation to delete. --DavidConrad 05:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The link you provided "that appears to be another artist" is to an amature-semi-pro porn star. Not a band. Those quotes can easly be derived from the News section at http://sinstar.net/community/, their main site is currently under construction (though a version was up some time ago). The entry is made by a fan , however I have been working to try to get it "corrected" to fit the guidelines get the sources correct. One important source that seems to have been missed is http://www.mushroomcloudrecords.com/wwbhvol2.htm which I will be adding myself to the Mind Pollution page and Sin Star page. This article is worth keeping , The number of external links is to site the sources .. ALL of the other links are links to the sites promoting sin star since one of the accomplishments of Sin Star (an important fact) is the internet promotion with these sites & people (such as Gidget Gein whom have done so stricly out of charity. SMNnews.com is one of the largest sites on the internet for Music News. So is Blabbermouth.net .. Marilyn-Manson.net is listed on the Marilyn Manson page. The promotional items are still viewable on those sites and on . Gidget Gein whom is Marilyn Manson's former bass player has varifiable connections with Sin Star , Marilyn Manson has verifiable connections with sin star . Another link between them and manson is the fact that their manager (voluntarily) was Nancy Marzulli , whom is itnerviewed in VH1's Manson Biography for being his Editor at the magazine 7th Parallel. Her involment can be viewed by visiting by seeing some of the drama unfolding after they let her ho  or on several other topics containing "Clasmate" or "Nancy" in the subject line in The Recycling Bin for the sites old posts. Her name is also in the MTV Article as the author , she is after all a journalist. Tons of info can be found here  with links and sources. I hope you reconsider the signifigance of the links listed on the page , they aren't spam. The phrases contained within the page that are "promotional" could easily be edited out by onw of you as well.
 * Edit I have done a complete overhaul of the page, added all missing information I could find , correctly cited my references , added some more information I came across (related to media appreances and relationships with bands such as [marilyn manson] and artists such as [gidget gein]) , and well just look for yourself. Most of your complaints are now taken care of. Oh and honestly , how do you expect fan pages and music sites to compete with Porn sites selling amature porn ? 04:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
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