Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sinai 48


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The result was Keep Sinai 48; redirect Tom Moncrieff to Sinai 48. WaltonOne 16:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Sinai 48

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Non-notable band and band member. Also from the looks of it, very likely being used for promotional purposes. There's an apparent conflict of interest as the creator seems to be one of the band members. -WarthogDemon 23:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I was careful about making additions and deletions and not stating anything that wasn't independantly cited. I understand the conflict of interest, however I was very careful. Given that this project is sleighted for release on over 200 radio stations, it seems premature to delete something that isn't quite finished. There are several notable musicians involved with the album, so I see no reason to delete it. Many of these musicians are well known to music trivia buffs, who may want more information about these people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajmccarrell (talk • contribs).

Here is a policy that makes it not eligible for deletion, "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such. " Both Gary Hodges and Tom Moncrieff were part of Buckingham Nicks. The producer and backup vocalist Charlie Chalmers has also been a major player in the soul music industry with uncountable hits stemming from the 1950's on. This is reason enough not to delete. Ajmccarrell 23:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)ajmccarrell
 * Weak keep I think the ability of this band to survive WP:Music is a little slim, given that Buckingham Nicks itself primarily survives WP:Music because of the undeniable subsequent success of Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Buckingham Nicks is often described, even on Wikipedia, as a "duo"--for instance, see AMG. But the | first source on the page makes it pretty clear that Buckingham & Nicks themselves regarded the entity as a band and Hodges and Moncrieff as members. I am overall inclined to agree with Ajmccarrell that the article should be kept. I have attempted to tone down some of the unencyclopedic material included in the article, but it needs more pruning. The encyclopedic value of the track list of an unreleased album is debatable. While that sort of material belongs on a band website, I don't think it belongs on Wikipedia. As for the Tom Moncrieff article, I'd do a redirect to Sinai 48. --Moonriddengirl 16:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Sinai 48 based on meeting notability criterion #6 for musicians and ensembles mentioned above. Redirect Tom Moncrieff to Sinai 48 per usual practice in criterion #6. -- M P er el 18:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   —Eliyak T · C 16:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Who is supposed to make the changes, such as deleting the flag and combining the articles?70.102.205.26 16:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)ajmccarrell
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