Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sincerely, Future Pollution


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Kurykh (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Sincerely, Future Pollution

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Non-notable album. Fails WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG. Article about a yet to be released album. No independent reliable sources - only sources are PR announcements. CBS 527 Talk 01:04, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (and at worst redirect) the song list and the first single have been released. There are already multiple reliable sources in Canada, in the US and in France discussing both the album and the single. Passes WP:GNG. Pichpich (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm all for keeping articles when possible but I have been unable to find any sources with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. All the sources in the article are PR announcements and are not independent of the subject. A basic Google search is turning up more of the same and G-news, G-newspaper, HighBeam and New York Times is turning up 0 hits. I have no problem with a redirect though.   CBS 527 Talk 19:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - This album is going to be released in less than two months, it is a notable upcoming album by a notable band. The lead single has already been released. I Googled the album title and found plenty of sources already, including NPR.--Bernie44 (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The NPR source is another announcement where over half the article is direct quotes from Taylor Kirk, lead vocalist with the group. Unfortunately, that doesn't qualify as an independent source to establish notability.  CBS 527 Talk 23:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This is coverage of the upcoming album, which, given the band's track record, is certainly notable. NPR is an independent source, whether or not it quotes a statement from the lead singer. There is also coverage of the initial singles from the album, like this, which I'll add to the article. And then once the album is released, there will be more coverage. Personally I don't think it makes sense to delete this page and then create a new one in April when the album is released.--Bernie44 (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Publications where the musician or ensemble talks about the recording are specifically excluded for establishing notability per policy. See WP:NALBUM, Crit#1. The same applies for press releases or announcements. Generally, reviews in several publications are not enough in themselves to establish the need for a separate article. The current sources in the article seem to be nothing more than standard pre-release publicity announcements -
 * 1. Publicity announcement with a list of tour dates in COS
 * 2. Publicity announcement with a list of tour dates in Exclaim!
 * 3. Publicity announcement in lesinrocks.com
 * 4. Publicity announcement in NPR (see above)
 * There is no guarantee that this album will be notable after it's full release. If it qualifies for notability per guideline in the future then that's the time for a stand alone article, not before.  CBS 527 Talk 03:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you're misreading that. Crit#1 is referring to things like press releases and interviews that are strictly first party accounts. Not articles written by third party sources that throw in some direct quotes. Sergecross73   msg me  03:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Timber Timbre is a well-known indie rock band and this album will 100% be notable upon its release.--Bernie44 (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 05:37, 16 February 2017 (UTC) Keep - I don't believe that this article should be deleted. The album will be released in a few months and two singles have been released. Critics like Anthony Fantano from The Needle Drop have discussed the singles and the album is anticipated by a lot of music fans. For now there are not much we can add to the article but it's fair to wait before we make some thoughtless moves. AndreasAt (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 20:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - Sourcing from the likes of NPR and Exclaim make it notable with the sourcing already present in the article. Nominations, and the deletion proposed, are a waste of the communities time. It's fine as it is, no reason to waste people time with deleting and recreating it after release. Sergecross73   msg me  23:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.