Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sinclair Method (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Strong consensus to delete, especially considering one of the two keeps is from a user with an extremely limited contribution history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Skruddgemire). Normally, I would close this as a redirect, but there are strong arguments made why a redirect would be inappropriate. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:59, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Sinclair Method
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As far as I can tell, the Sinclair Method is only discussed in two of Sinclair's own research articles. The literature does not discuss this by this name. There is, however, tremendous discussion in the literature about the use of naltrexone for alcohol dependence. As such, I propose this article be deleted. The Sinclair Method is simply non-notable and could even be considered WP:OR. All mentions of this "method" should not be included on Wikipedia. - Originally posted by FoCuSandLeArN (talk) on User Talk:Mcmatter 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. - McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 01:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete, per nom. I intend to write a full article on this topic, which has ample coverage, unlike the "Sinclair Method". Previous discussion was pretty much void because nobody actually cared to offer a decline !vote. Merely one keep resulted in a speedy keep. This topic is simply non-notable; two sources from Sinclair himself. Nobody else has ever used this term beyond the author's futile attempts to promote this in minor outlets. It's as simple as that. Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 01:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, should be merged into the article FoCuSandLeArN is trying to write. Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite) 11:51, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to merge. Non-notable subject matter that was probably created by COI-editor and escaped previous AfD due to his self-promotion. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, While The Sinclair Method is based off of Naltrexone and other medications that achieve the same method, it is gaining recognition as The Sinclair Method due to various media campaigns (most notably by Claudia Christian). I feel that it should be kept or at the very least set up as a redirect to the articles on the pharmacological disruption of the Stimulus/Reward Response which is how these drugs function. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skruddgemire (talk • contribs) 15:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I plan on doing. A proper article dedicated to naltrexone use for alcohol dependence, discussing all current points of view and not some obscure clinical proposal with no scientific community backing. This method is by no means (and I can't stress this point enough) standard practise. The use of natrexone for alcohol dependence is thoroughly discussed in clinical and pharmacological research, but never has this method been discussed in such fields, except for the author's own work. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Well-sourced; easily passes WP:GNG. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? 2 references are his own work; one is a blog, one is Erowid, one is a non-scientific book he provided a foreword to, one is from some random clinic in Finland and the other is a therapeutic guideline which does not mention this method even once. Please check the references methodically before making such an assertion. Sinclair is simply trying to rebrand current treatments into carrying his name, and obviously it hasn't stuck. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Comment Anyone can look at the sources and references and judge for themselves. The "find sources" links above provide plenty of more examples, e.g., .  OhNo itsJamie  Talk 06:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to naltrexone Yes naltrexone is used for alcoholism. Its use is however not called the Sinclair method by most of the medical community. This ref does not mention his name Many of the other sources are by him. Maybe it should be merged to either his name or to naltrexone? This review of the topic lists all the paper and a number date back to 1992 and are not by Sinclair.  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * merge with Naltrexone--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Obviously most of the content is backed by good sources, and it should be kept. The point of dispute is whether "use of Naltrexone to address alcoholism" should be called "the Sinclair Method". Most of the sources cited, like this NICE paper and this Cochrane paper, do not use the term "Sinclair Method". Sources which do use this term include the documentary One Little Pill and Psychology Today. If this article is kept, then Naltrexone medical information should not be split from its article to be put here. If this is kept, then probably this article should only talk about cultural and social documentation about this treatment, and leave medical information to the drug article. A problem is that right now, this article is a fork of the drug article and is not presenting any of the social issues. While this is notable topic, and it could have a Wikipedia article if it covered social issues, there is no content here that covers social issues and this content only copies information from the drug article. I say (1) merge if there is content here which is not in Naltrexone (2) delete for now (3) recreate if someone develops this article to cover social issues and avoids bringing the medical content here.
 * I am not doubting that this treatment should be covered in Wikipedia. I just do not see supporting evidence that this treatment is called "Sinclair Method" rather than "treatment with Naltrexone".  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The efficacy claims on the page are not from, research they are rhetorical claims from the company called the Contral Clinic which is the commercial entity set up to sell The Sinclair Method product. This method of alcoholism treatment is very limited and there should at least be a "controversy" section to acknowledge this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxxdtox (talk • contribs) 16:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


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