Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay films (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. I did not find that the nominator gave a good rational for the article deletion in this nomination, nor I find the other deletion rationals convincing, and I would suggest that when nominating an article for AfD in the future, get right to the point, and cite relevant policies to support your rational. For example, if you think this article is original research, explain to us, how is it original research, and what makes you think that way. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 15:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Singapore gay films
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Non-notable subject. No evidence is supplied to suggest that Singapore is in any way notable for it's output of LGBT cinema, which isn't surprising as the article itself states that "there is to date not a single feature-length film entirely produced by Singaporeans in Singapore belonging to this genre".

The bulk of the article consists of plot summaries to a handfull of loosely connected films, most of them from other countries with only a peripheral Singaporean involvement, and some only having an LGBT sub plot rather than a central theme. The "references" used are mostly just links to IMDb, and the article has seen hardly any development since a prior AfD two years ago. At best this subject deserves only a passing mention in the Cinema of Singapore article, though perhaps the plot summaries can be salvaged and re-used in the articles of the films themselves. PC78 (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this could have potential if renamed to something like "Portrayal of alternate lifestyles in Singapore media" or something, but that'll take some work. Corpx (talk) 10:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - the individual films are notable - per WP:LIST and cleanup the cites to footnotes. Bearian&#39;sBooties (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The notability of the individual films is not the issue here; it is the notability of "gay cinema" in general within the Singaporean film industry that is in question. I'm not sure what you think will be achieved by "cleaning up the cites", either. A bunch of IMDb profiles have no real value as references whichever way you look at it. And exactly which part of WP:LIST are you citing? Lists are still subject to notability criteria, and listing any films that are a) loosely connected to Singapore, and b) have some vague LGBT-related element to them, is completely indiscriminate. PC78 (talk) 19:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to History of LGBT people in Singapore film; the article needs to be improved through expanding to historical representations of LGBT people in non-LGBT films as well as encompassing LGBT Singapore filmaker's work. Benjiboi 17:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. 1st Afd was here. Benjiboi 18:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. (Regarding the nom) This is no longer true. The past 2 years have seen an explosion of gay short films, film festivals and one full-length one called "Solos". The article will be updated in due course. Therefore, retain.Groyn88 (talk) 16:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. The references are links to Imdb, lazily cited (without proper citations), and without any evidence that this isn't just original research. The article clearly grasps for straws to establish notability with the sub-sections "films with LGBT sub-plots" and "films with cross-dressing actors." The main section only mentions a few films. Is that supposed to be an "explosion"? &#9775; Zenwhat (talk) 00:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * At least I've gone and properly cited them. -- RoninBK T C 12:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Historic reference to gay life and a genre of film in a place known for not being friendly for such. Further, articles needing cleaned up are supposed to be cleaned up, not deleted. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 23:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep : as per the comments above. Europe22 (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.