Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sir Patrick Houston, 1st Baronet


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The result was keep. Member of the Parliament of Scotland. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Sir Patrick Houston, 1st Baronet

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Does not meet WP:BASIC. I have only found one source with one sentence about him. I can verify that he died in 1696 and his wife was Anne, that's it. I see nothing notable about him. Rusf10 (talk) 02:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep - notable person, I added a few references that I was able to find briefly in 5 minutes - more exist. Kolma8 (talk) 19:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is one thing, notability is another. I looked at the first two sources you provided and see nothing beyond who he was married to and when he died (actually in one of the sources the entry is about his wife, not him). As for the third source, I could not locate where he is mentioned, could you please provide the page number?--Rusf10 (talk) 21:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added to the reference in the article. Thank you. Kolma8 (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Clearly notable per WP:ANYBIO #1 as the actual recipient (as opposed to the inheritor) of a baronetcy. There is clear consensus and no 1st baronet has ever been deleted at AfD. In fact, the level of notability is generally set by consensus at CBE or higher, well below a baronetcy. In any case, also notable per WP:POLITICIAN as a member of a national legislature. Both these facts were in the article before the nomination, so WP:BEFORE has clearly been failed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * A baronetcy is not an award or honor, it is bought and paid for. You have cited no policy that says a baronet is granted auto-notability. Also, only a knight is below a baronet in CBE. So unless they are a knight, they rank higher. Also, we don't have a policy granting auto-notability for CBE either. And where is the source that says he was a member of parliament himself? I consider that an unproven claim.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * With respect, I fear you do not know what you are talking about. A baronetcy is most certainly an honour in the British honours system. Yes, they were once bought, but clearly they were not granted to nobodies and conferred titles that obviously meet WP:ANYBIO. He was also knighted before he became a baronet, and knighthoods generally weren't bought. Also, only a knight is below a baronet in CBE. So unless they are a knight, they rank higher. What on earth does this mean? Many honours rank higher than a CBE. In fact, I'll tell you which do, in order: CVO, CIE, CMG, CSI, CB, Knight Bachelor, KBE, KCVO, KCIE, KCMG, KCSI, KCB, CH, GBE, GCVO, GCIE, GCSI, Baronet. So, in actual fact, Baronet is eighteen levels above a CBE! Consensus (you seem to be obsessed with policies, but ignore consensus) has long been that all recipients of the CBE and higher meet WP:ANYBIO #1. Once again, see this for confirmation. As to your request for a source for him being an MP, it's already in the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * I do know what I'm talking about, I researched this. As per Cambridge Dictionary, a baronet is "a man who has the lowest title of honor that can be given in the U.K., below a baron but above a knight, and given from father to son" They are not 18 levels above anyone. Yes, they are passed on, but someone had to pay for it at some point.--Rusf10 (talk) 14:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - leaving aside all stuff about baronetcies, the man was an MP, so there is no debate to be had. @Rusf10 - hole... digging... Ingratis (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - A member of the Parliament of Scotland and the Convention of the Estates of Scotland clearly meets notability criteria. Dunarc (talk) 22:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


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