Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sir Walter Stronge, 6th Baronet


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The result was keep. Wizardman 00:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Sir Walter Stronge, 6th Baronet

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No asertion of notability provided in the article. Existing and getting married fdoes not pass WP:N or WP:BIO - possible redirect to Stronge Baronets Vintagekits 14:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect per nom. Edison 16:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge I think it would be better to have all the shorter articles merged into Stronge Baronets, but the decision should be made by the group working on British peerage based on the guidelines they created on who gets automatic coverage. In the USA we give auto-notability down to the level of mayor. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - a Baronet is not a member of the peerage and doesnt get any powers like peers did.--Vintagekits 17:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge or delete We do not give autonotability to the mayors of small towns; this baronet was a Justice of the Peace, which is less than a Mayor. But why not just merge and see what happens? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - JP, Deputy Lieutenant, soldier and Baronet. Part of a series of articles, which it adds to.--Counter-revolutionary 22:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions.  -- Carom 23:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:N and WP:BIO, he was a Deputy Lieutenant, which as I point out in my comments in the Afd for Sir James Stronge, 2nd Baronet is a mid-level officer at a county-level - i.e., not notable. He was also a justice of the peace; which is less than a high court judge; according to our article justice of the peace, which unfortunately contains no reference to what duties/powers this chap would have in Northern Ireland, had he been in England and Wales these gleanings are useful in determining whether the position makes one notable: "No formal qualifications are required" and when sitting as usually a threesome as a magistrate's court, "they decide on offences which carry up to six months in prison", sounds like something less than a municipal court judge in the US, and in US parlance usually connotes the power to marry. Again, an office without qualifications having a petty scope of power, held for an unknown length of time doesn't make you notable.  As to his "title", notability is not inherited at this low level. Carlossuarez46 01:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Counter-revolutionary. JJL 03:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep- Baronets and Lieutenants are notable people Astrotrain 08:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, According to a member of the Arbitration Committee and the Peerage Project The presumption of notability for peers has never rested on them being peers in itself, but rather on the fact that up until 1999 most hereditary peerages earned you a seat in a national legislature, and members of national legislatures are presumed notable. Baronets have no such claim, and individual baronets must attempt to meet WP:BIO as individuals], so baronets are not automatically notable. --Vintagekits 12:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge into Stronge Baronets. See my comments on two previous baronet nominations.  Service as a JP may well have been for a considerable period.  WE do not elect judges in Britain, but JP is the lowest category.  Peterkingiron 00:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and make a redirect to Stronge Baronets most counties have several deputy lieutenant and JP are two a penny - alo at that time these possitions were usuall handed out to those with a title rather than on merit or suitability, they certainly were not recognitions of acheivements Giano 11:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I wasn't under the impression Wikipedia was a meritocracy. --Counter-revolutionary 11:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Does anyone have any more details of his military career? Given his DOB, there may be active service?? Kernel Saunters 13:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Promoted to Captain in 1883. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 17:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep per Counter-Revolutionary. Edward321 21:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.