Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skull Cave


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The result was delete. Tone 12:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Skull Cave

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. There is no referenced content to merge to The Phantom and even redirecting is a problem, as this name should be used for either article about a real place(s) called Skull Cave (,, and I think there are more) or a disambig. PROD removed with nor rationale by the usual culprit. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Not notable independent of The Phantom, which mentions this location once. If any real-world information can be found, it can be added to the Phantom article. I don't see a need for a redirect, since anyone looking for Skull Cave should be able to find the Phantom article without our help. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep More abuse of our deletion processes contrary to WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE; WP:IGNORINGATD; WP:NEXIST; WP:NOTCLEANUP; &c. The Phantom's cave is covered in detail in sources such as The Phantom Comics and the New Left: A Socialist Superhero and The Phantom Unmasked: America's First Superhero.  Insofar as there are other real skull caves too, then this indicates that we should be expanding and disambiguating, not deleting anything. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you look to see what The Phantom Comics and the New Left says about Skull Cave? Page 2 lists some of the fictional contents of the cave. Page 24 mentions the name as one similarity between Phantom and the star of Heart of Darkness. Page 58 says the Phantom has treasure in the back of it. All of the mentions are in passing while the author makes another point. Isn't it possible the nominator did do a BEFORE search, and found the available sources insufficient? Unless you can point to a source with content that could actually be used to improve the article, you should stop tossing around these bad faith criticisms of "abuse". Argento Surfer (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-trivial real world coverage has not been presented. TTN (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this subject is not substantially covered in reliable third party sources, and cannot meet the WP:GNG. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as this is quite likely to WP:ASTONISH anyone trying a search. Even if it were moved somewhere with a parenthetical dab to encourage article creation of the real-world caves mentioned in the nomination, I don't think WP:GNG is satisfied to merit that course of action.


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