Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sky of Avalon – Prologue to the Symphonic Legends


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The result was no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:21, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Sky of Avalon – Prologue to the Symphonic Legends

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totally non-notable album that does not meet the requirements of NALBUM: there are no professional reviews, nor is there any discussion of the album in reliable sources. the best of the internet is this link,, and that is just another webzine. I had redirected the article but it was restored here,, by User:Yk49, who said he added references--but that's to Roth's own website and to Blabbermouth, which is just a zine and not a reliable source. User:Atlantic306's revert is not very useful either: he clearly didn't see that there is no proper sourcing for the article, which is simply not notable by Wikipedia standards. Mindy Dirt (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment If a bold redirect is reverted it should go to AFD or at least be discussed on the talk page. According to WikiProject Albums/Sources Blabbermouth is a reliable source for reviews but not for news so in this case as it is a news item it is unreliable but not in every case. Reserving judgement on notability incase offline or non google sources are found.Atlantic306 (talk) 15:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Blabbermouth is generally considered an WP:RS. It's usable for news too, the consensus is just to be cautious on BLP stuff. See WP:MUSIC/SOURCES. Sergecross73   msg me  15:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * (User:Sergecross73, that is news to me, and it's somewhat surprising given Blabbermouth's lack of editorial oversight and their tendency to (re)publish everything they run into, including press releases. There is a claim of reliability in their article, sourced to the London Free Press--it was introduced in 2009, but that supposed article is nowhere to be found--look. So I don't believe that Blabbermouth is that reliable, but more importantly I don't believe that it's that important. One review on Blabbermouth, one user-submitted review on a website that seems to lack editorial oversight, isn't enough for notability. Mindy Dirt (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * In this particular situation, I do agree with you - that Blabbermouth source is rather short - not exactly siginificant coverage about the article subject. But in a general sense, I'd be rather shocked if it wasn't deemed reliable in a general sense. I've used the website heavily these last 5-7 years in writing articles and saving articles at AFD, and I don't recall ever running into any opposition over it. Sergecross73   msg me  22:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect - I couldn't find enough reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG - a very short Blabbermouth.net source is not enough. Open to re-evaluating should someone come up with better sources off-line someday - the album was released in the mid-90s, before online sources were prevalent, and judging by some the type of coverage he receives in later albums, they may exist out there somewhere. (Though, then again, even Allmusic doesn't cover this release, despite covering others, so who knows.) Very little can be sourced now, so its best to redirect for now, and spinout if/when sourcing is provided and prose is written. Sergecross73   msg me  15:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - just what Sergecross said. It's 1996, sorta pre-internet era. I can dig out mid-90s old Burrn magazine myself. He is at least interviewed and covered in Feb 1996 issue . Kerrang! at the time did not cover much of European hard rock scene but I'm sure Metal Hammer probably did record review of some sort. --Yk49 (talk) 04:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   21:17, 12 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:53, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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