Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skylar Astin


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The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Skylar Astin

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Fails WP:Entertainer Drawn Some (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, or other productions.
 * 2) Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * 3) Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep One Broadway stageshow, one film. Point 1 on the list above is met. - Mgm|(talk) 18:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if you accept two roles as "multiple", his role in the film was so small it's not even mentioned in the lengthy article on the film and it doesn't qualify as "significant". Drawn Some (talk) 18:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But the role is mentioned in reviews of said film. - Mgm|(talk) 08:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Having a role mentioned doesn't make it significant unless you believe that anything mentioned anywhere is therefore significant. The question we need to answer is do reliable independent resources provide sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to make it notable and verifiable. If not we can always redirect. Drawn Some (talk) 01:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep – He's actually received a fair amount of press coverage and therefore meets the general notability guideline. I've added a sampling just now, including non-trivial mentions in New York magazine and The Hollywood Reporter. And there are dozens of reviews that comment on his role in Hamlet 2. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 04:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm confused about why people are so reluctant to follow the guidelines. Do you really believe that this reference from New York Magazine is non-trivial enough to establish notability?  I sincerely disagree. There's nothing in it support an article except that he is from Rockland County and his character.


 * 3. Skylar Astin
 * Plays Georg, who’s crushed out on his busty piano teacher.
 * Age 19. With the show for two years. From Rockland County. Dating Lauren Pritchard. On meeting a certain Long Islander: “When Billy Joel came, I freaked. He said, ‘I really love the way you play the piano.’ ” On days off: “I rest. I swear, I’ll join a gym soon.” Ideal night out: “Oh, my God. I don’t drink or smoke or anything like that. I’m kind of boring.” Favorite film: GoodFellas. Most difficult thing about dating a co-star: “Absolutely nothing.” [Lauren, below, concurs.]


 * And here's your "non-trivial" Hollywood Reporter stuff:


 * Please review the guidelines at WP:NOTE especially regarding the quality of the references needed to establish notability. Drawn Some (talk) 08:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand that you disagree with my characterization of the coverage as non-trivial, and that's fair enough. I'll add, though, that "trivial" coverage in notability discussions typically has meant coverage that is akin to a directory listing. Coverage can be brief and non-trivial, but to justify an article there must be multiple sources. I believe that standard is met here. The sources I added allowed me to verify some content, and add some other verifiable content. Multiple sources have documented some aspect of development in his acting career. I'll also try to flesh out some of the film reviews that commented on his acting in Hamlet 2. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 22:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep. There's a lot of 'wishy-washy' quasi- celebrity trash out there but I think there's just enough in terms of WP:RS] to justify an article. HJMitchell   You rang?  11:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will be glad to withdraw my nomination if someone can show such references. I looked for them prior to nominating and could not find them. Drawn Some (talk) 20:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep He was mentioned for his Broadway performance and whatnot. The references point to notable media sources, which wouldn't bother listing him at all if he wasn't notable.  D r e a m Focus  01:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Actually does seem to meet entertainer guidelines. I've removed Jewish from the lede and categories as they have to be sourced to remain. -- Banj e  b oi   00:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep per WP:SNOWBALL and lack of diligent WP:BEFORE. I have just done a WP:CLEANUP (AfD is not for cleanup) to the article to show sources easily found that exceed the inclusion requirements of WP:GNG.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems to meet notability and editor guidelines Fahrenheit  16:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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