Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slavery's Impact on African English


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 02:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Slavery's Impact on African English
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POV WP:SYNTH essay at its worst. Even includes the dreaded Conclusion section. Drdisque (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, school essay, see WP:NOR. NawlinWiki (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, it has references and is partly on-topic, we are supposed to fix this kind of thing instead of deleting it. Polarpanda (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but (as I just noted below) the very topic is an absurdity. Slavery can't have "affected" African English when there was no pre-existing African English for it to affect. Besides that, fixing (by removing and fixing a few problem sentences here and there) is one thing. Something that requires a fundamental rewrite is something else. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I've struck my vote, on re-reading it does look like OR. Polarpanda (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. In addition to the problems already mentioned, it's full of absurdities right from the beginning. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete There might be some merit to the subject as far as American English vocabulary with African roots, and maybe we have one. I disagree with the idea that there was no pre-existing African English for slavery to affect, since it's not as if all African slaves came to America at the same time. Slave importing went on for the entire 18th century and the early 19th.  This, however, is someone's term paper.  The approach to an encyclopedia has to be different than a college essay, since the audience for the essay is one's professor, not the average reader.  It takes a while to find examples.  I was expecting  examples of imported words, and not stereotypes about people who don't pronounce the "th" sound.  Still, there are all sorts of problems with the essay, especially sentences like "Pronouncing the, this, and that as de, dis, and dat is another linguistic trait that is still spoken in the south today, by not only the African community but by educated white people as well."  The stereotype of "Dat's right boss" is what comes to mind.  Mandsford (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I realize this is a digression now, but regardless of the century in which a particular African was imported as a slave, before being imported as a slave his language was generally whatever African language he grew up speaking. Even the article emphasizes this, undermining its own premise that there was a pre-existing African English on which slavery could have an impact. As for coverage of the actual topic in Wikipedia, we have African American Vernacular English, which delves into topics like loan words borrowed from African languages. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Essay. Joe Chill (talk) 21:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete low quality essay,     DGG ( talk ) 04:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for all the reasons given above, but esp. given the title and the linguistic and historical misconceptions behind it. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, a bad school paper. Marks off for bad research: non-rhotic speech is in general retreat in the southern USA and everywhere else, except for AAVE.  - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Per WP:NOR, WP:SYNTH, etc ukexpat (talk) 17:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - not even wrong. Bearian (talk) 21:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.