Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slavic toponyms for Greek places


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete without prejudice to recreation with sources. We simply have an unsourced bunch of original research here and no-one has really suggested that there are sources out there for this. If you can find some sources then you can redo this but this content is unsalvagable Spartaz Humbug! 22:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Slavic toponyms for Greek places

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see talk:Slavic toponyms for Greek places Andreas  (T) 19:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article should not be deleted. It is a fact that certain northern Greek cities had alternative names in the past. If the dispute is over whether these are Slavic names, then the discussion should centre on a new title for the page. It is significant that a similar article exists in the German Wikipedia and is indeed more detailed.--Damac (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep This is an important topic and quite useful, especially in any historical research. Much of Northeastern Greece, as well as the whole Balkans has a tradition of alternate names used by different ethnic groups.  Maybe a better article would be something along the lines of "Alternate toponyms for Greek Places" tha would be divided into sections, these could include Turkish, Italian, Albanian, etc... alternates as well.  Moheroy (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Do not Keep I support the deletion of this article; the entire articles presents various names from different languages as Slavic place names of Greece! Most of those are villages of the exchanged Muslim and Bulgarian populations. Others are Slavic alternatives that there were never used!! (such as Ber!!!! Solun!!! Kastor!!!! Lerin!!!)The logic of the existence of such an article has a meaning only if similar articles about every language in the region are created! For example “Greek place name of FYROM, Bulgaria, Albania, Turkey” or “Turkish place name of FYROM, Bulgaria, Greece and Albania”. (Under that logic we could also have “Greek place names of Italy, Spain, France, and India”). The only real solution is either the completely deletion of the article since it doesn’t serve history or provides any information (not to mention the numerous mistakes!!!) or to incorporate the worth full material of it into a new article called “Different place names in the Balkan languages during ottoman empire”Seleukosa (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Many of these names were used, and as exonyms, there are of interest to an encyclopaedia. There are lists of List of Greek place names, Greek exonyms on Wikipedia, for example.
 * As I've said above, the content should not be deleted, but renamed or incorporated into a new article. Balkan language exonyms for Greek places would be one such solution, where the Balkan languages would be limited to those spoken or once spoken in Greece. This new page could incluce information from Turkish_exonyms, Bulgarian_exonyms, Albanian_exonyms, Serbian_exonyms#Greece, etc.--Damac (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed an article on Balkan language exonyms for Greek places is better.Megistias (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Since all this articles already exist why there is a need for this one???? It would have a reason to exist only as “Different place names in the Balkan languages during ottoman empire” and have all the languages and all the regions represented. That should include all the Greek names of Turkey/FYROM/Bulgaria/!! All the Turkish names of Balkan/Greece/ etc and on and on and on!!!!!! I can’t found any use for an article to exist only for Greece and not for every other country. Seleukosa (talk) 17:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats true and it seems biased amd strange that there is only for Greece.Megistias (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Do not Keep  This article is of very poor quality, containing little useful information, and gives no sources.  It seems designed solely to push a particular implication.  Many of the place names are also factually wrong or entirely spurious. --Tsourkpk (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Damac's suggestions (ie name change etc.). 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and Rename per Damac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BalkanFever (talk • contribs) 12:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Do Not Keep Unfortunately, this article does not contain any historical, social, and/or political information behind the supposed alterations made from Slavic toponyms to Greek toponyms in parts of Greece. Moreover, the list in of itself seems pointless since toponyms come and go. Without a strong source-based context, this list has no basis for providing any useful data to readers and users alike. Of course, I am not implying that toponyms do not have their value. It is just that other Wikipedia articles tend to treat the subject matter regarding toponym changes a lot better. That is all. Deucalionite (talk) 15:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Do Not Keepand merge with a new article on the Balkans in general.Megistias (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Do Not Keep. Seleukosa said it all here, no need for me to repeat. Helladios (talk) 19:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice, for the sole reason that it's been sitting around unsourced for so long and no sourcing is in sight. Allow recreation if sourced. The systematic eradication of non-Greek placenames and renaming to (partly artificial) new Greek names in the areas that were incorporated into Greece in the early 20th century is an potentially interesting encyclopedic topic, if handled correctly. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.