Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sledge Hammer (pornographic actor)


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The result was   delete. Notability. Doesn't meet WP:PORNBIO. (While PORNBIO is admittedly under rediscussion, it's clear that that guideline is heading towards tightening or elimination, any possible changes there aren't going to save this article.) joe deckertalk to me 19:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Sledge Hammer (pornographic actor)

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So this guy was a pornographic actor, and died in an altercation with police, but this just fails WP:BLP1E WP:BIO1E Mt  king  (edits)  03:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:RECENTISM, WP:NOTNEWSPAPER and WP:PORNBIO. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * comment - the listed reason for nomination, WP:BLP1E does not apply to deceased persons. -Stillwaterising (talk) 06:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Should have been WP:BIO1E. Mt  king  (edits)  07:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:PORNBIOWP:PORNSTAR This guy isn't even notable in the adult entertainment industry.Newmanoconnor (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete more or less per nom, subject fails PORNBIO and his death is a BIO1E. I'm also struck by the remarkable differences between the accounts of his death given in the mainline news media and in the porn industry sources, which ought to give great pause to those editors who uncritically claim that the industry sources generally satisfy WP:RS and are suitable for bio and BLP use. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you give examples of the differences between the mainline news media and in the porn industry sources? Epbr123 (talk) 20:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Both the XBIZ and the AVN reports say that "Hammer" was tasered into unconsciousness/cardiac arrest by police after he got out of the ambulance which had come to his home and refused to get back in it; XBIZ quotes his girlfriend as saying he was "peaceful" and "cooperative" and "didn't fight them at all." The LA Times, however, says he broke free from restraints while the ambulance was traveling to a hospital, and "became violent with paramedics," forcing the ambulance to stop, somehow got out of the vehicle, and remained conscious after being tasered. HuffPost similarly reports that the incident occurred while he was being transported. NBC News reported that Hammer was "stunned twice with a Taser during a struggle that began inside the back of an ambulance" and added the details that he had been handcuffed by police at his residence and had attempted suicide five years earlier. The Daily Mail report says that "Hammer" "reacted with such force that he broke the gurney free from a floor lock and broke the handcuff, which led police to Taser him. The XBIZ/AVN reports don't even mention the fact that his girlfriend had had to take a knife away from him. They present the story as "gentle giant" killed by police overreaction, as opposed to the mainline version of a suicidal actor getting violent in a moving ambulance. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. To be fair, his violence is mentioned in other porn industry articles, . Epbr123 (talk) 21:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Duhh, there would be a difference especially given in a controversial recent death. "A department spokesperson has been providing the mainstream media with what is presumable the responding officers' version of events, the description of which gets more detailed with each telling." As long as you have proper attribution, I'm fine with sources presenting different perspectives of what may have happened. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Per BIO1E. Dosen't even pass the depreciated ex-guideline PORNBIO. Hipocrite (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
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