Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smealinho Rama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Nakon 01:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Smealinho Rama

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Non-notable MMA fighter. He's won two second tier championships but has not yet had a top tier fight. Fails WP:NMMA and it's likely to be awhile before he gets 3 top tier fights. Obviously WP:TOOSOON, but no objection to the article being recreated when he meets NMMA.Mdtemp (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 21:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Keep Tim Hague, Derrick Mehmen and Anthony Hamilton are all 3 top tier fights he has had and is about too have another one against Blagoy Ivanov former Bellator vet so his page should be kept due to the fact he is already proven his self as one of the top if not the top heavyweight in North America meaning Canada and is on the rise, he has won the Heavyweight Title of one of the main promotions in televised MMA, the World Series of Fighting is considered a major MMA promotion and is still growing, Smealinho Rama deserves to have a page this page deserves a chance JMichael22 (talk) 14:58, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I suggest you look at WP:MMATIER and you will see he has no top tier fights. The definition is very clear.Mdtemp (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Passes GNG and is the subject of many independent articles. CrazyAces489 (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Subject does not meet WP:MMANOT or WP:GNG. The requirements for notability are based on where you fought not who for the simple reason that fighters are not always peaked.  Fighting ex-UFC and ex-Bellator does not tell us much and beside notability is WP:NOTINHERITED.Peter Rehse (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't his rank as the #1 Heavyweight fighter in the entire country of Canada say something about him as well as his credit as a heavyweight champion for the third largest MMA company in the U.S & Canada (World Series of Fighting) JMichael22 (talk) 07:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, because the notability criteria for MMA fighters was reached by consensus after a long discussion. I don't know why so many MMA fans want to ignore existing guidelines and create their own.  WSOF is not top tier--would you argue that a football player in the third highest league in Canada was notable? Papaursa (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete Doesn't meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters since he has none of the required top 3 fights. Second tier titles are insufficient to show notability.  His coverage consists of routine reporting of sports results and that's not enough to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA with no top tier fights and WP:GNG with just routine sports coverage.204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 13:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * keep by WP:Athlete and WP:GNG. He is far more notable than Kimbo Slice  Consensus for MMANOTE is apparently not 100% good for notability24.103.234.74 (talk) 20:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment This page deserves a chance to grow he is obviously very well known in an entire country (Canada) is the #1 ranked Heavyweight in the country... The World Series of Fighting deserves credibility as a top MMA promotion as it's events do very well and seem to be guiding the promotion to bigger things... he is notable due to the fact that he is ranked on many websites as the #1 Heavyweight in Canada and holds the WSOF Heavyweight Championship regardless of what the thoughts on the WSOF are he holds wins over named opponents formerly of the UFC, Bellator & Strikeforce JMichael22 (talk) 02:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If this is deleted, you are welcome to keep a copy of this in your sandbox and add to it. Please remember that WP notability is determined by WP consensus and policies. Notability is not obtained by association with others (see WP:NOTINHERITED). Papaursa (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA and WP:GNG. Claims of notability are not based on any Wikipedia policy besides WP:ILIKEIT. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 12:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I was going to close this as delete myself but instead I will be put down in the delete camp. I'm reluctantly in this camp because common-sense would suggest this fighter will eventually meet WP:NMMA. Unfortunately, fighting other notable fighters is an argument of inherent notability, and statements like "he is far more notable than Kimbo Slice" ignore WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:NMMA. The coverage he does have is routine sports coverage and nothing that would suggest he has received an amount of coverage exceeding that of the usual amount and therefore a standout in his sport. Mkdw talk 22:02, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment He is ranked as #1 heavyweight in the country of Canada does that not hold notability!? JMichael22 (talk) 05:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * By that website, not by a national association or official ranking system, and if it's like tennis where the rankings change every week, then per WP:NMMA he will need to have won a title for his position to be deemed notable. Mkdw talk 06:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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