Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smokers Die Younger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep JoshuaZ 23:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Smokers Die Younger

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I had deleted this article by Proposed deletion in September, and was asked to restore it by the article's principal author. The original reason for the PROD was "Non-notable band, fails Notability (music)". I'm not convinced the subject band passes Notability (music), but there is a claim of notability, so I have brought it to AfD. -- Flyguy649 talk 00:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see any notability established, and a quick web search mostly found sites created/managed by them. I didn't see anything from a third-party WP:RS. Arthur 00:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Props to Fly for recognizing assertion of notability. However, WP:BAND is failed. the_undertow talk  02:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Retain Try looking on the article's talk page for third-party evidence of notability. I listed some there a year ago, when this page was last marked for deletion, and it was accepted. I have now added further evidence. The band clearly passes on a number of the notability criteria. The policy only requires that they pass on one! Oh, and my quick google search found reviews of their work on all manner of sites they have nothing to do with. Dr Jon 10:20, 9 November 2007 (GMT)
 * Which part of WP:BAND is satisfied? the_undertow talk  03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Criteria 1, 5, 7, and 10. See under the Discussion tab on the article. --- Dr Jon 12:50, 10 November 2007 (GMT)


 * Comment The lack of sources and links here is a problem. It is noted that "Golf" is a former member of 65daysofstatic, but not who "Golf" is (see 65daysofstatic's page). There is a lack of proof and a lack of other sources which say anything notable about the band. Who are the Balor Knights? What is the Electric Blanket? Why should I care? The creator has failed to establish notability through proper sourcing, but there still may be potential. However, I doubt the band has the notability to cite (I won't jump to conclusions, though: it's the creator's turn to show his hand or fold). --Anon 121.209.160.15 15:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Response The creator is bemused. His hand is thoroughly shown under the article's Discussion tab, as he keeps pointing out. Is the complaint simply that more of this should be put in the main article itself? Since most of it refers to print media rather than web media, this seems somewhat tricky. Dr Jon 16:53, 9 November 2007 (GMT)
 * Comment Print articles can also be cited as long as they are from real, notable sources and can be verified (i.e. are reliable sources). Comment below by Nothing Short has the right idea: sources need to be cited to establish notability -- anyone can release a record, for example. All Music Guide has nothing but a shell for the band (|DIE|YOUNGER&sql=11:0jfexq9dldje~T0). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.160.15 (talk) 06:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment External links and items on notability, etc. will be added over the weekend. Indeed the page will be considerably overhauled. Since originally being written there are a number of citations with relation to the band's position in popular culture to be added. Connections to which will be made explicit. Nothing short 17:03, 9 November 2007 (GMT)
 * Weak Keep. Having reviewed the information, I believe nobility is established (albeit weakly). As much as I don't like admitting it, as it could easily be just a fluke (a television programme on local bands and some fashion designer who just happens to like them), they still pass WP:BAND by criterion 1 given the information provided. --Anon 121.209.160.15 14:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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