Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snip Nua


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Snip Nua

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Animals on Wikipedia perhaps have a higher barrier to climb than humans but in this case, Snip Nua is only notable for her unfortunate death, and the reaction it caused, and was not otherwise notable. So this article is somewhat comparable with WP:BLP1E, and appears to being used (as it was previously in Dara O'Briain) as a coatrack to advocate for better standards in greyhound racing which I do not think is the purpose of Wikipedia. Multiple reliable sources may be all very well, but if this poor dog had not appeared on television, nobody would have cared that much, and there would be no reason for an article. Close to the line it may be, but my opinion is that it crosses the line as having no notability beyond her death being reported: and that isn't enough to sustain an article here. Rodhull andemu  01:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 01:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 01:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I agree that the article's main contributor seems to have a very clear POV on this issue (see Fior Gael syndicate, which had escaped my notice until tonight, in addition to the previously-mentioned Dara O'Briain) and to have been intending to make a point in the article's creation and phrasing.


 * However, I have done some work in de-POVing the phrasing, and as far as WP:GNG, I do think Snip Nua is safe. She certainly seems to have been covered substantially in the news, as a large part of a popular television program. The "famous for one thing" bit is true and perhaps makes her a bit iffy; on the other hand, she's not a Living Person (or Living Canine, for that matter), so applying a deliberately-strict guideline intended to head off liability concerns, to a dead animal might be pushing it. On the other other hand, I'm a bit afraid my seeing it as slightly on the "keep" side of the line might be influenced by WP:ILIKEIT worming its way into my brain.


 * The information could conceivably be merged into Three Men in a Boat (TV Series), but that strikes me as a worse coatrack threat than a stand-alone, well-sourced article. The dilemma, to me, is that we have this situation, well-covered by news sources, of the dog being famous and then being put down and protested over, which seems to me to be quite notable, but putting it in the article on the show, as that article stands, would be grossly undue weight considering the length of the info on the show itself. keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 01:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen Fior Gael syndicate, but now I have, I am persuaded that it's part of a picture, and another platform which we do not accept here. Accordingly, since it does not appear to be independently notable and merely repeats other material, I'll [[WP:BOLD|boldly redirect it. Rodhull  andemu  02:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - There is no WP:BLP1E to discuss here, that much is obvious: it's not a biography of a living person in any way. There's also no WP:ONEEVENT, which is policy for people accused of notoriety. This article is not the life story of a dog! It is about an incident and its aftermath. A redirect to something more explicative, like "The Snip Nua Incident" (or "Affair", or "Controversy") might be good, but the article itself should stay: it's a developing story which already has enough solid citation to pass WP:GNG. SteveStrummer (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. I agree with SteveStrummer and further, I think their was enough cultural presence for the programmme itself to warrant an extension of article space, a central aspect of the programme, à propos Snip Nua. scope_creep (talk) 00:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.