Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snow theatre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Meatsgains (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note for clarity: the final agreed result was a redirect, not a keep per se. Bearcat (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Snow theatre

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Looks like snow theaters are only built from one gentleman by the name of Graham Whatmough. Not enough coverage out there to confirm significant notability. Meatsgains (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * As a Canadian, I do recall having read about outdoor projections onto snow before -- just as one can project film onto pretty much any white surface. But I agree that this isn't a notable structure or thing. Delete Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * DELETE [caps intended]  A personal "invention" or novel idea  that has hitherto had no real cultural or social impact doesn't seem to be encyclopedia material. The fact that it may be a "first" does not automatically  make it important, even if it is newsworthy. One could speculate as to the future prospects of such an idea, but it's my understanding that Wikipedia does not indulge in "unverifiable speculation." So although I can appreciate the idea's uniqueness and potential for growth I see nothing in the article or its one citation that renders it worthy of an encyclopedia entry.  Such an article would lower the bar  for every whimsical idea that pops into humanity's head and would forever be the test case that compels acceptance.  The line has to be drawn somewhere or it's no longer an encyclopedia, it becomes an intellectual trashcan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:445:8002:BC40:E467:ECDD:68F8:8DE2 (talk) 03:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This has been done before 2016 but there's nothing to really show that this is a notable concept. A search doesn't really bring up anything significant other than someone projecting the Lorax movie onto a blizzard. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Found it! Yes it was this now-defunct (I think) festival in Winterpeg, wouldn't you know, offered by the National Screen Institute. With animated shorts projected onto snow. And while the online article lists "16 C" as temperature I wouldn't be surprised if that's a typo. -16 C in March is more like it, especially if there's a "metre of snow outside": http://www.straight.com/article/theres-snow-business-like-show-business-in-canada Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So it's not even a "first." That's the coup de grace for me, it lost even the little luster it had.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:445:8002:BC40:D881:6C8:35AC:EA7C (talk) 14:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Selective merge to outdoor cinema per Shawn below. I can certainly see the possibility of this becoming more of a sourceable and notable thing in the future than it is right now. The fact that it's been done at least once before the time documented by the one source being cited in this article certainly points in that direction — but it doesn't slamdunk this as things stand right now, because two people independently coming up with the same one-off idea 15 years apart does not a notable concept make. If this starts happening a lot more often in a lot more places, then there'll be a case for inclusion — but right now it's WP:TOOSOON at best, and possibly fails WP:MADEUP as well. There's also a conflict of interest of some sort here, as the article's creator has the username "WhereTheHighwayEnds", while the source links to a Facebook video posted on a page titled "Where the Highway Ends". The only thing I'm not sure of is whether "Where the Highway Ends" is Graham Watmough, or whether it's something or somebody else affiliated with Graham Watmough — but it's still a COI either way. As usual, Wikipedia is not a free promotional/PR platform. Bearcat (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Another one. A snow theatre has also been a main attraction for a number of years at the Siida Museum's  Skábmagovat film festival in Inari, Finland.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I now think a very selective merge to Outdoor cinema is an idea. That article does have a short section on "Unusual locations to show a movie outdoors..." and we do now have refs for screenings projected onto a wall or bank of snow in both Finland and Canada. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm thinking that now sounds like a better solution. I've adjusted my comment above accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, I always feel like I'm passing the buck in cases like this if I leave it to a closing admin. So I have gone ahead and added a very brief referenced passage on the winter events in Finland and Canada, at the bottom of Outdoor cinema, without mentioning any specific event or structure by name (though those could be added). I think that may be enough and if Meatsgains agrees, maybe we can speedily close this as a redirect? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


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