Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SoBe No Fear

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 00:20, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

SoBe No Fear
Oh, for god's sake, here it is again. We deleted this last year; all the reasons still apply, I think?DS 4 July 2005 01:20 (UTC)


 * Delete. Still a non-article. --Calton | Talk 4 July 2005 01:27 (UTC)
 * Delete, there's nothing here that can't be said better and more concisely in SoBe. Dcarrano July 4, 2005 02:09 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 4 July 2005 02:20 (UTC)
 * Is this essentially the same content that was deleted last time around? If so, it can be speedied; if not, Delete, product nutritional info is definitely not encyclopedic. Wow. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 4, 2005 03:08 (UTC)
 * Delete --again. Same rational as before. --WCFrancis 4 July 2005 05:46 (UTC)
 * Oh god. Delete. And delete any article in which the author copies the packaging of any product like this. I'm surprised the article doesn't say "to open pull tab" or "best if used by 02.2006". -R. fiend 4 July 2005 02:44 (UTC)
 * As much as I love the stuff, Delete. An article explaining the "history" of the drink, or whatever, isn't good enough either, because it can just be placed in a main SoBe article. --Alex12 3 4 July 2005 07:36 (UTC)
 * Delete - advertorial JoJan 4 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)
 * Merge lead back into and redirect to SoBe. - Mgm|(talk) July 4, 2005 10:16 (UTC)
 * Delete Ingredients lists are not encyclopedic (as opposed to discussing ingredients that are significant like Coke introducing salted water (Dasani) or Budweiser making a caffinated beer). -Harmil 4 July 2005 13:45 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable soft drink. Klonimus 6 July 2005 05:54 (UTC)
 * delete agree with reasons above mysekurity 9 July 2005 04:28 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was Article listed on WP:VFD Apr 21 to Apr 29 2004, consensus was to delete (9 votes v. 3 to keep and 1 to merge). Discussion:

Promotional material and a wikified list of ingredients. - DS, 18:19, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

And several others linked from South Beach Beverage Company. Niteowlneils 18:25, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Namely:
 * MacLizard's Special Recipe Lemonade
 * Long John Lizard's Grape Grog
 * SoBe Green Tea 3G
 * SoBe Black & Blue Berry Brew


 * Delete. IMO ingredients lists and nutritional breakdowns are not what Wikipedia is about, and I don't think there's enough else one can say about each SoBe product to make a reasonable article.  Better to put a one-line summary of each product in the South Beach Beverage Company article. &mdash;Morven 19:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Good info. Everyking 21:34, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Good info, but the subject might be better served not by itself, but merged with South Beach Beverage. Merge and delete. - Lucky 6.9 22:01, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why would anyone want to keep this?  It reads like some sort of advertisement and is, at best, nothing more than a list of ingredients.  If there are any others like this, add them to VfD as well.  Falcon 00:10, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete all: irrelevant. At most, give each product a one-liner on the SoBe page. Wile E. Heresiarch 01:59, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Delete all but the most major brands.  They have no useful info that is not on the can.  Stuff like this and most of the other links from South_Beach_Beverage_Company are just ingredient listings, only of interest to someone with a can in front of them in which case they can read ingredients there.  Wikipedia is not a sales brochure or advertising listing, and is not intended to list everything about everything.  Unlike Coca Cola these have no interesting history so are just silly clutter.Mat-C 02:57, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Hello User:217.204.169.167, I think you might want to sign in and sign your vote. Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 21:20, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Hello Wile E. Heresiarch and thanks, sig added. Mat-C 02:57, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: I do not see how this sounds like an ad, and even if it did, that could be fixed. It's just plain and useful factual information about a drink. Everyking 23:11, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Factual, yes. Useful, I hardly think so. DS 00:11, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that SoBe drinks are popular. Everyking 04:32, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, and therefore I see nothing wrong with a page for SoBe in toto (although it could use some de-hyping). However, we don't need a carefully wikified transcription of the ingredients list and nutritional information for each individual product they make, nor - for instance - do we need to be told that a serving is 8 ounces, and that there are 2.5 servings in each 20-ounce can. DS 15:59, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Modify. I agree with Everyking above.  An article that better contextualizes the relative place of the popular SoBe beverage in today's society, and that is less concerned with the arcane list of ingredients might be more helpful to the typical Wikipedian.  Scott P. 17:55, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a nutrition label - T&#949;x &#964; ur&#949; 15:29, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Say someone could write another paragraph or two on the drink, and then added in the ingredient list and nutrition info after that. Would that be acceptable? It seems to me a good article on SoBe No Fear would require this info. Everyking 16:54, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. With extreme prejudice. Delete delete delete. (The article on South Beach Beverage Company and redirect from SoBe are OK). If recipes are not allowed, which have some practical use as they allow you to produce the dish being described, then lists of ingredients from labels of commercial products are far worse. Delete. By the way, did I say delete? Dpbsmith 19:11, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lists of ingredients are not encyclopedic. Andris 22:20, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful info, perhaps marginal, but good for the 'pedia. I would agree with Everyking and suggest that more be written besides simply the ingredients and nutrition facts. These drinks are popular enough to warrant thier own articles. If articles like Red Bull or Sprite exist, these need to as well. DryGrain 22:27, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * DryGrain, I hate to sound like a jerk here, but I'm not sure your opinion on this matters. You wrote the article in the first place. Of course you'd vote to keep it. No personal offense is intended. DS 18:01, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * It is not likely to make much of a difference, noting the votes. Falcon 05:26, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.