Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soap Kills


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Soap Kills

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This band appears to me to be non-notable. I performed a wp:before search, and could not find sufficient RS-coverage or other indicia of notability. I PROD'd the article. An SPA deleted the PROD, writing "Soap Kills had and still has a lot of influence on the Lebanese and Middle Easter music scene and is regarded as a cult band. The artists are still active in other projects." I still cannot find sufficient indicia of notability. Epeefleche (talk) 19:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Soap Kills is one of the first band in the Middle East to do alternative music. They have a significant influence on current bands in the region including. I don't see why not just keep the article? What harm does it make? I am not familiar with the wiki terminology, but I think its sad if the article is to be deleted as I know the heritage Soap Kills has left on the Middle Eastern music scene, its a loss to the Middle East rock, alternative and RnB heritage.SolveigMalvik (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2011 (GMT) — SolveigMalvik (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.   See also Sockpuppet investigations/Solveigmalvik/Archive.


 * Please read WP:NOHARM.  Erpert  Who is this guy? 00:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

This artist still has media coverage in 2011! e.g. Red Bull Music Academy 2011 (Soap Kills listed as psuedonym of Zeid Hamdan/Shift Z): http://redbullmusicacademyradio.com/shows/1446/Incognito Czech public broadcaster 2011, influence of Soap Kills in Middle Eastern music referenced: http://www.rozhlas.cz/radiowave/friday_ripple/_zprava/middle-eastern-spring--885695 Many more resources, e.g. this from 2006 Lebanese Daily Star http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Culture/Arts/May/20/From-Soap-Kills-to-Mooz-Records-musician-has-no-plans-to-clean-up-his-act.ashx#axzz1MeIeV3GW

It seems unbelievable this article is subject to be deleted, this a major band in alternative lebanese music. Former band members are involved in new projects. This article is very useful for the history of popular lebaneses music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.250.42.181 (talk) 07:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC) — 194.250.42.181 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Soapkills IMHO is notable. For instance it fulfils WP:Notability (music) / Criteria for musicians and ensembles item 10 : 2 track of their album Cheftak were included in the soundtrack of Divine Intervention a film which is notable. I would say it fulfils item 5 as they released 2 albums distributed by what I consider an excellent Lebanese media outlet and network for Middle East cultural products, mainly music http://www.incognito.com.lb/store/node/228

As for item 12 (and 6 and 7) It had coverage through numerous broadcast in the radio programs "Ruptures" and "Décalages" on Radio Liban, mostly interviews in French of either one of the two members of the group Yasmine Hamdan and Zeid Hamdan. These are reviewed and can be listened to as archives on the site of radio producer Ziad Nawfal http://rupturedonline.com/?s=Hamdan

All this is much interconnected, but obviously Lebanon alternative/underground scene is not that big. --Cgavilan (talk) 04:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC) — Cgavilan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. See also Sockpuppet investigations/Solveigmalvik/Archive.


 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  --Epeefleche (talk) 05:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

You may notice that I created a personal page to try to fend off the accusation of being an SPA or a sock-puppet. Simply disregarding comments, and references because they appear, to people apparently oblivious of the fact that Wikipedia and the world are not all in English, seems short-sighted and irrational to me. It's a bit insulting to.
 * The suggestion by a sysop at the sock investigation was to mark the SPAs as SPAs, as you will see at Sockpuppet investigations/Solveigmalvik/Archive.


 * yeah delete them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.98.238.18 (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC) — username (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Yasmine Hamdan one of the 2 members of the band is mentioned in the WP English pages Y.A.S. and Arabology, but maybe the relevance of these pages will be questioned and they will be marked for deletion!!!--Cgavilan (talk) 11:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * To get back to rational arguments and references the 2 albums I mentioned above are on sale on I-tune also, as well as another track in a 2009 compilation http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/arabesque-arbaa-4/id286157902, and tracks in the Soundtrack of the film Intervention divine/Divine intervention which I mentioned also.
 * Having albums available for sale on itunes do not make the band notable. Nor does passing mention of two band members in wp articles.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep - Soap Kills appears to be one of the leading groups in the Lebanon music scene. Although this article is about one of the two members, it does provide some substantial coverage about Soap Kills.  This book identifies them as "ultra-trendy" in noting their contribution to the soundtrack of A Perfect Day.  This book identifies them as "particularly well-known". -- Whpq (talk) 16:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – There's significant coverage in the Daily Star, such as this, this, this, this, and multiple others. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 23:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. As demonstrated by commenters above, WP:GNG is satisfied (apart from the sources listed there, the band was also prominently featured by German-French TV station arte at the time, and mentioned in TIME magazine as part of an "artistically significant" music scene). I have just expanded the article, using two of these references. And as a side remark (not intended as a WP:N argument), I would like to note that I have come across anecdotal evidence confirming 194.250.42.181's claims about their status in Lebanon. For example, last year I asked a Lebanese expat (who isn't a particularly avid music fan) if he had heard of the Soapkills, and got told that they are still a household name in Lebanon, known to many young people. Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The fact that this discussion is even needed is ridiculous. I was introduced to Soap Kills from a Lebanese roommate, the band is VERY MUCH SO a legitimate band and not a hoax. Why in the world would it even be considered for deletion? Because it's not a well known band? Ridiculous.--Teenageliberal (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Withdraw. Paul Erik found good coverage in the Daily Star, which IMHO suffices.  Some of the other comments were based on anecdotal evidence ("I asked a Lebanese expat"; "my Lebanese roommate told me ..."), or based on arguments such as "what harm in having it", which is in itself less than convincing, but the Daily Star is an RS, and its substantial coverage is sufficient for me.  Thanks--Epeefleche (talk) 03:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.