Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sober (Childish Gambino song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f  eminist  07:53, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Sober (Childish Gambino song)

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Article is an infobox and 3 sentences. Article contains 1 source. Article makes an unreferenced claim that the song won an award, but there are no corresponding charts or sales figures that one would expect from an award winning song. Nothing to show notability. CSD and PROD was denied. Kellymoat (talk) 01:40, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 07:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - - Are we looking at the same article? The song has charted on multiple Billboard charts, and won a MTVU award, and there are sources present in the article that verify this. I just checked to verify this. I can understand why one would think such a short stub of an article maybe doesn't need to exist, but your specific reasoning is baffling to me. It's simply not true to say there are not sources that verify the charting and award, and the article is so short, I don't understand how this could have been an oversight for you.  Sergecross73   msg me  14:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I am glad that people have gotten off their butts and started to write a proper article. But look at what it was before I started deletion procedures. This is what it looked like 48 hours ago, the next edit was me attempting a CSD. Kellymoat (talk) 14:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it wasn't there for your CSD and PROD nominations, but it was there before you sent it AFD. (Your AFD nomination edit is the most recent edit to the article.) It appears you probably didn't check in between the PROD and sending it to AFD, which at least explains my questions about the disconnect between your nomination and the current article... Sergecross73   msg me  14:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * A 27 minute difference in time between someone doubling the article size and my AFD. Certainly acceptable.Kellymoat (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * But they rejected your PROD and added the content in one single edit, an edit you must have been aware of in some capacity, or otherwise you wouldn't have written up an AFD at all. (It wouldn't have made sense to tag it for AFD while the PROD was active.) It also doesn't say much for WP:BEFORE being followed out. But regardless of the order or the process of things, charting on major charts and winning awards from major television networks is certainly enough to meet our notability requirements, so I'm sticking with my keep !vote. Sergecross73   msg me  15:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The other scenario is -- my notification box said my edit was reverted, and I didn't bother to loo to see that the removal of PROD (the revert) also included more information. Kellymoat (talk) 15:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That didn't happen. If you look at the article history, you'll see that your edits weren't rolled back or undone, so it wouldn't have appeared in your notifications. When I declined your requests, I also tried to improve the article. This is an ill-advised nomination, and you're only digging yourself a deeper hole. The wise thing for you to do is admit that you made mistakes and attempt to learn from your errors.
 * (Oh, and in case it's not obvious, I think we should keep the article, as it clearly meets WP:NSONG.) - Eureka Lott 01:42, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, joe deckertalk 02:47, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Song has charted and thus meets NSONG. --Cerebellum (talk) 21:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.