Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sober musicians


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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 23:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Sober musicians

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY. List is not notable or verifiability. Sources included are also pretty outdated given the topic. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom—blindlynx 19:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep and clean up WP:LISTN indicates that "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed by independent reliable sources." I will note that one two of the sources in the article as nominated appears to meet the criteria of treating the list topic as a group or set, namely "11 Rock Stars Proud to Be Sober." July 6, 2017. Sober Recovery. and "29 Musicians Who Won't be Drinking on St. Patrick's Day." WCBSFM 101.1 New York. March 15, 2013.  (although I'm unsure about the reliability of the first source). I do think the article needs an overhaul; and it needs to define what it means by Sobriety for purposes of that list. However, I do think the topic meets our definition of notability for list purposes. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, move to List of sober musicians, once the AFD closes. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 22:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: News sources simply celebrating an artist's (or even a set of artists') sobriety are not a good basis for an encyclopedic list. An article about substance abuse and sobriety in music, sure. But a list of musicians who are sober is and will never be an encyclopedic list. Why? I Ask (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per nom, and the excellent, pithy comment added by . Onel 5969  TT me 13:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete because it is a poorly-defined topic for a group or set per WP:LISTN. The title is wrong too, because it's actually a list of musicians with substance abuse problems who then GOT sober, with their newly clean lifestyles getting well-deserved coverage. But that is a matter for each of their biographies. A list called simply "Sober musicians" with no further explanation would have to also list all other musicians who have always been sober because they never abused illicit substances in the first place. Now that's really unencyclopedic. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacking sources. If someone wanted to develop this topic they could start from Drug use in music or instead of a list develop something like "sobriety in music culture". If someone has data about individual musicians then they could take the concept to Wikidata in d:Wikidata:WikiProject Music.  Bluerasberry   (talk)  17:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


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